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Demon, getting back to your original question. Pugs comments would be an excellent place to start the research for yourself. As far as the pagan festivals are concerned, if you are interested in researching you might want to consider looking into one called Saturnalia and another Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the birthday of the unconquered sun). While most possible reasons for dec 25 are debated by one group or another, I think you'll find the information interesting if nothing else. Best wishes in your search for information.

Well the 111 is not exactly what the other dealers are selling. First the crystal is glass not sapphire. Second, although it does have a swan neck regulator, it is not dagger shaped. Finally, Panerai is not engraved on the movement, it is printed.

Interesting note about the 111h I received. It doesn't have a recessed cannon pinion. I hadn't noticed at the time of the post, but the pinion is the correct height. Check it out on my picture in the post above.

Just guessing gio, E300 or 5D?

Armin, your friend knew nothing. If you had handed him a gen yachty, he would have said the same thing if you had acted the same way. The fact is most people think that rolex is the pinnacle of the watchmakers art and have never held a gen. The first time you hold a gen it is shocking just how cheap the oyster bracelet feels. The dollar figure he gave you is probably because he is aware of the prices on canal st. By the way, I know a pawn shop dealer that uses the bracelet to tell the difference between gen and rep. He is very good, but what he is looking for is sharp edges that don't exist on the gen. It is not the weight or feel, but even he can be fooled if the bracelet is worked enough. Enjoy your yachty and forget about this experience, but learn from it.

I have the same watch and shortened the bracelet. It was some time ago so I don't remember the exact sequence to shorten it, but I'll share what I remember. You are correct in that only the first link has a hole with a pin that you can remove. The pins for the remaining links are under the ceramics. After you remove the first link you will be able to remove the ceramic part of the next link (this is part I don't remember exactly how I performed). After the ceramic is off there is a pin that you can remove to remove the link and repeat the process with the next link.

Based on Assasi9's positive experience, I took a chance on the 111. Watch took about 10 days to arrive. Communications with ufanta are non existent. Anyway, here is what arrived. I'll let you guys make your own decisions about it and keep mine to myself.

I just ordered a new 111h, and since my old one needed a cleaning and lube I figured I'd take a chance and relume the dial and hands. I read a thread awhile ago here about Noctilume and decided to give it a try, so this relume was done with their powder. This was my first attempt at reluming and I'm not entirely displeased with the results. I did the hands as well, but I didn't take a picture of them. They turned out ok, but I scratched the minute hand when I was removing the old lume. The watch is now completely torn down and when I have a little time I'll run it through the ultrasonic before I re-assemble and lube. Unfortunately then I have to take it to a local watchmaker to set the beat and timing as I have yet to buy a watch timer, but I don't expect that to cost very much. Anyway onto the pic.

According to some of there advertising, the Breguet company is currently working on recreating this pocket watch from the original drawings and so forth. Having the original available for inspection should make their job alot easier.

Yes, it is a landeron. It is incomplete as there is a wheel (gear) missing. It is based on the Landeron 48, but I can't tell you which one as Landeron made alot of movements based on this series. Check out the 48, any of the 51 series and even the 151, visually they look very similar.

Try 42 below, very nice vodka. Can sometimes be hard to find, but worth the trouble. It comes from New Zealand 42 degrees below the equator.

Sorry lefty, not going to happen. It's one thing to make a replica watch that uses a commonly available movement, but another to have to make a movement that has use in only one not very well know watch. If the movements were that easy we'd have a very good daytona rep by now. It is a beautiful watch though. My bet is that a gen is the only way your going to see this watch

The naming conventions used in china don't mean anything here, and with the amount of traffic this thread and LWL thread received, everyone knows it. This ridiculous naming should end. Maybe when dealing with chinese customers and suppliers you need to use or understand these naming conventions, but when you post on your english language website that something is what it is not, you should be made aware of it. Because now you are even doing it when it doesn't mean a higher priced item. I give the following examples "New for March": http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10031-pla...0bp-p-2469.html And Trusty has it for the same price, but showed it openned, but only with the anti-magnetic cover in place, hiding the movement: http://www.ttwristwatch.com/index.php?main...roducts_id=1202 Now for a little analysis "Asia ETA 2824-2 28,800bp" Asia - Well this part is true. This movement is definately made in asia. ETA - A swiss company having nothing to do with this movement. Include design, build or even inspiration. 2824-2 - A specific movement model number made by the aforementioned swiss company 28,800bp - True again This movement is the DG 2813-2S. It's design is based on the 8215 movement manufactured by Miyota, but the beat has been increased to 28.8 and it is 22 jewels instead of 21. I'm not saying anything about the quality of the movement, but it has nothing to do with ETA whatsoever. When in it's earlier incarnation, you guys simple called it an asia 21j movement. You could even call it an asian 28.8 miyota copy. Clone has too much of a different meaning. BTW, isn't this the same movement from the B&R that was an asia 2892 clone?

This would fall under patent law and not copyrights. Only the ETA stamps would be copyrights. I did a quick check on Swiss patent law expiration and it appears to be the same as US, which is 20 years from the date of application. If your 1983 - 4 date is correct than the patent would have expired 3 to 4 years ago. Anyone would be free to reproduce this movement as long as they did not put any trademark or copyrights on the piece. Perhaps we have an attorney on the board that could shed some more light on this subject. Of course I am not an attorney and I could be totally wrong.

@alligoat, @phoband, The watch is in fact the one from River.