Torques

Yo Tucker...

Many of us here were scammed at one time before discovering this great board. Chalk it up to experience and move on.

Read, read and read...and read some more and learn.

Stick with the dealers here...no more scamming...we promise!

Affirmative.

So their business practices suck. Fine. I never disputed that. I said I wanted to see the PRODUCT THEY SELL. Is that too much to ask for?

I am not defending any company that lies about their product. I am asking for proof that the PRODUCT THEY SELL is as poor as people are claiming that it is, without any photographic evidence to back up those complaints.

If I had the money to spare I'd be happy to do that. Problem is though, I don't have the money to spare. Chances are I would never use the dealer I bought my Submariner from again, purely because I do not feel the need to spend that much money on a watch again, and I don't really want another Rolex (and that is all they sell). Doesn't mean they are scammers, or their product is poor, it just means they don't have what I want.

Okay Please can I see a photo of the watch you bought from them?

Okay, so the crown guards are slightly wider at the base of the crown. Other than the flaw with the crystal I previously accounted for, I honestly cannot see any difference between that watch and the one on my wrist (other than a better quality NATO strap [mine is generic] and a better photographic setup)

Where was that watch purchassed from, and for how much?

"So their business practices suck". Are you kidding, don't you GET it? They are involved in criminal activity, wire fraud, mail fraud, and racketeering. Now do you understand? Why don't you just drop this [censored] point since you don't know how to speak. If you want to see what they cheat people out of, fine, but reading some of your phraseology is misleading to others who don't know any better. Case closed, unsubscribing.

I agree entirely. With anything, I think the product quality should always match the price paid. I'm very excited about my SMP that I have on order for three reasons. 1. It's a watch I've been after for a while. 2. It's a dealer I've never used before. 3. The price was very low, so I'm keen to see it the quality reflects the price, or if I might have got a good bargain... Only time will tell

The thing that gets me is the people who say "Don't buy from SuperSwissWatches, they're scam artists!" but don't actually provide proof of this scamming for others to be aware of. It comes off as bandwagon jumping rather than informing from experience. Just because the deals from The Cartel are cheaper, that does not necessarily mean the more expensive deals are scams if that other product is of good quality. As I said, if a dealer lies about their product, then they are a scammer. Doesn't matter if they're charging $8 or $800. If what is delivered is not as described, then that is wrong, whoever the dealer is. Please folks, let's see some more watches from these expensive dealers. Let's hear the stories both good and bad, and see the product that goes with it. People can't make informed decisions without all the information.

Not all people that state, "they are a scamsite", say so just to jump on a "bandwagon". That is highly presumptious on your part. If I say it is a scam site, it is, because I have either purchased from them or investigated "ALL" of them in deep, lengthy detail.

Pics and site name please, naming and shaming is the way forwards here

You compared a $100 n00bmariner to mine, so that is the comparison that must be made. I find it interesting that no-one has seen fit to post pictures of any watches ever purchased from these sites. I'm starting to suspect that 90% of the "Don't buy from UltraSwissWatch!" comments are from people who have not actually purchassed from them and are simply jumping on the bandwagon to trash those sites. As I said before, I have Zero tollerance for liars. If I find out a dealer misrepresents their product, then I would not do business from them. However, I would only advise people to avoid dealers I have had negative experiences from. I am by no means defending scam dealers, but I do want people who have been ripped off by these dealers to actually prove it by posting their watches, that way, people can judge for themselves what was or was not a scam. Corgi's comment for example, was wholly irrelevent. They didn't buy anything from whatever dealer, so who cares that they nearly got scammed? Nearly never happened. What we need here, is concrete comparitive evidence. I've thrown my watch and the site it came from into the mix, maybe rather than verbally making comparisons, people ought to throw down their own watches and experiences so we can make well informed decisions based on the visual facts, rather than the speculative discussion...

How much of comments like these are truly a case of the dealers being crooks, or people simply being unwilling to pay the price?

Just because it might have been possible to find an unmodded Sub for $100 that looks as good (and I am still waiting for proof of this) that does not mean the dealers were scam artists. I got what I paid for, so I have no problem with the price tag. I do not regret paying what I paid for my Submariner, although, it would have been nice if I could have bought it for cheaper. If I actually could have bought it cheaper, is what this thread/forum are all about determining through comparitive studies.

The thread starter references Blue[censored]s, that's who I am talking about.

The one watch I received from those thieves for 899.00 fraudulently advertised as a Zenith 31 jewel movement, had a Seagall ST6 movement in it. The midlink was supposed to be solid 18k gold. It is not gold at all of course, just gold colored metal. I did that transaction before finding these sites. They are lying, criminal thieves, plain and simple.

Bestswiss and around 12 others sites with other names are all run by the same thieves. It is their normal operation to lie and steal.

I have a new (2 months old) Sub with 2836 from reputable merchant. It started stopping randomly, then the last time I tried to set it, the stem came completely out and won't stay back in anymore. The dealer has instructed me to ship it back to him for a return. My question is this: He has instructed me to indicate for customs "sample watch". Is there much of a chance they will look at it and if so, can I get into a lot of trouble shipping a counterfeit watch FROM the USA. Thanks for the comments.

No one has anything to fear from law abiding citizens who own or carry guns, plain and simple, case closed.

Oh yeah.....tell that to all the victims of law abiding citizens who were law abiding right up until the point their status changed....!

The VT murderer was a law abiding citizen....only difference was he was a law abiding citizen LEGALLY entitled to hold Weapons of Mass Destruction.....and 32 innocent people witnessed his transmogrification from law abiding citizen.....to mass murderer...!

I really think what you meant to say was......no-one has anything to fear from law abiding citizens who don't carry guns......now I'm not a gambler....but I recognise a sure bet when I see it.......DUH....!

If just NONE of those involved had a WMD they would DEFINITELY have stopped him in his tracks.....before any rampage....DUH.....!

You don't "get it". I wish you the best, take care.

The African comparison holds no weight here......that's tribal and political genocide.....not the action of an individual......so stop being an ostrich and burying your head in the sand.....!

You're the worst kind of apologist.....you seek to blame the individual.......the truth is guns don't kill people......guns in the hands of people kill people........taking your argument......why should the West condemn Iran for trying to develop nuclear weapons........nuclear weapons DON'T kill people.....it's the despotic idiot who pushes the button that kills the people........yet we seek to stop the despot having the WEAPON.!

And yet you want to defend the argument that YOU have the right to own a weapon......what [censored]ing right.......you don't have the right to the facility to terrorize my family...neighborhood and society......when you find that you can't get over yourself........so get over your self......and go buy a pound of sausages at Tesco.........you're argument is weaker than a weak thing that's had a wash in Weakness liquid and rubbed down with a towel washed in new and improved Weakness powder...!

You sound awfully like one of those white hunters standing foot on neck of YOUR kill.........atavistic behavior that is no longer necessary.......you have the RIGHT to choose where you get your food.....chemically induced at Wal-Mart...or farm grown.....both are available to you......what RIGHT do you have to take the life of another animal.........that represents no threat to you.......I'll tell you.....no [censored]ing right.....!

Here's a little test for you.......I'm sure even you'll get it right......!

What's the difference between these 3x items......!

1. Knife

2. Lamp

3. Gun

Answer.....all 3x can be used as weapons.......only 1x is specifically designed as a weapon with the sole purpose of killing.........isolate it from human contact and it's no longer a weapon.....the other two have alternative uses......one can be used to open boxes.....cut yourself free from a seat belt when you're trapped.......or free your self from a bear trap......the second one can be used to provide illumination.....do yourself a favor.....switch yours on......and come out of the darkness....!

@Sportsrider.....condolences aren't going to bring these kids back........nor is it going to change anyone's outlook........I've listened to people like you as well......"oh this kind of debate does no good"....."we all should just get along".......debate about this kind of thing turns you off......why.....because you have no interest......I don't want to read another post from people like you.......you know .....the ones that bleat....'nothing will change"......'it's all so futile"........you've the same outlook as all those do-gooder trick cyclists that want to examine his motives for doing what he did.......did his mum not let him eat peanut butter sandwiches as a boy....maybe she wouldn't let him wear long trousers till he was 15.....WHO THE [censored] CARES........why are we interested in what his motivation was....it's not acting classes..."I am a tree".........NOBODY should care.......what we should care about is that we don't have another discussion like this again...and we don't see any more situations like this........we can't change the past....but we can sure as [censored] change the future.....!

If just one of those victims had a firearm, they might.... have stopped that guy at the beginning of his rampage. It's crazy. No one has anything to fear from law abiding citizens who carry guns.

For any of those affected by this tragic situation wether that be through someone close to you or through an aquintence or even just the sorrow one feels for these young kids my heart goes out to you, thoughts and prayers coming from Australia today.

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Ken

It's like Iraq practically every day, [censored] happens.

Check these out, funny:

... for one to leave the cold & damp Northwest

And head to a place of tranquility and warmth...

A place where a week will pass quickly with nothing accomplished...

A place where there'll be nothing to write home about...

A place of sun, water, food, wine, love, and sleep...

Breathing at the pace of the waves...

Stirred, not shaken, with a twist of lime...

I'll still poke in on occasion though...

TT

Reminds me of those places hit by that tsunami a few years ago. Keep your eyes open.

everybody on this forum and also my dealer told me to call fedex,so i did.

by doing this i admitted i ordered "something" from china

there was no way back

the letter only talks about this watch not '' a next time" i want to order

but i have to watch out carefully next time

I hope it works out next time, good luck.

yes,i'm from the netherlands

i voluntarly agreed that they confisgated the watch so i would not be procecuted

By signing that, did you admit you were importing couterfeit goods? Did it say you would be prosecuted the next time it happens?

You have no idea how much this comment bothers me.

It's like telling Michaelangelo that his chisels must be good, or asking Picasso where he gets his brushes. The only camera I've never managed to get decent photos out of is a mobile phone. Any fairly modern digital camera can take decent enough pictures.

Give it a go and you'll get help here.

You are absolutely correct but I didn't mean "good cameras" exclusive of raw talent. Regardless of the excellent equipment, the picture takers did a great job. My had goes off to all of them.

What exactly did you agree to by signing your letter? You are in the Netherlands, correct?

The SD...

//robi

Very cool pic!

This morning-

This afternoon-

Tomorrow-

Tomorrow evening-

Easter Sunday-

Haven't worn a lot of these over the past few months, so I figure some are due for attention...

Holy crap, nice watches. You guys have the best cameras, my God. Unfortunately for me, my Casio Exilim will only focus no closer than around 1 meter. The pictures are excellent from there on out and pretty high resolution but even if I blow up that image, it gets grainy for a watch picture. I would love to share some pics but oh well. I have around 18 reps.

I have on a green Anniversay Sub.

A faulty ram chip is the cause. It is in a server near the UK in a small city, forgot the name.

@New York

I've about had it with your:

Lack of positive contribution to this forum...

Your negative input...

And your general shitty attitude...

TT

Nasty.

I am interested if there will be any responses by the people accused of participating in the so-called cartel. It seems unusual to me, there is not any information in response. What could be the reason, are people here just "whiners"?

Fedex if full of thieves. I remember once a shipment of 25 laptops in one shipment went missing, 3000.00 a laptop (back when they cost that much), do the math. Taking any package is nothing to them, hope you get what you want though.