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One thing I noticed with these was that the lume on the dial are greener than the lume on the hands. Is it the same on the gen? Its hard to tell from gen pics.

Look up RolexAddict.

Again, I addressed this earlier in this thread. I believe that citizens do NOT need assault weapons, or high capacity magazines. I believe we should have background checks, training, registering and stop the loophole of gun shows. 

Amen brother.

But then you have people saying registration leads to confiscation. And then tyranny and socialism and what have you.

The thing I've learned in this debate is that you can't reason a man to a position that reason has not brought him to. Doesn't mean we should stop talking though.

Let's consider why Trayvon was being followed in the first place. Imagine your son, or daughter was followed by the neighborhood watch after the police told him to stand down. Pretty creepy don't you think? Your kid confronts his/her follower. And sure, he or she may have been hotheaded and may have been having trouble at school. Maybe he/she was bullying people. But he/she is only 17 right? A kid.

Anyway, he/she gets shot. Your child is dead. But that's ok, right? The other guy was acting in self-defense? Did he have to use a gun?

"It's worth the price of freedom (having a gun) in this country." Some will say. Sure. Maybe the kid should have had a gun too.

The bottom line is, I get why you guys love guns. No other thing will make you feel as powerful. It's being a man. A man should be able to kill a person if he had to. That's what it's about. And then you attach all sorts of things to that.  Freedom, self-defense, whatever.

Please enlighten me. How do widespread social welfare programs lead to (intended or not) a "lowering of the bar for acceptable levels of violence & courseness within society"?

Also, thanks for discounting the experience of minorities during your hunky dory leave it to beaver years. Colored people hunted down like dogs but my my how we've lowered the bar since then.

No, not sarcasm & there were certainly problems (there always are). But, & you can insert whatever politically unfashionable issue you prefer here, the fact remains that, as far as mass killings with firearms go, something changed in the US culture since the Leave it to Beaver days. I believe it was the unintentioned consequencies of LBJ's Great Society programs that, while well-intentioned, caused a lowering of the bar for acceptable levels of violence & courseness within society.

I'm sorry but I can't let this go. Lowering the bar for acceptable levels of violence & courseness (sic)?!!!

Umm...lynchings? That was pretty widespread then don't you think? How dare you imply that we've gone lower since then in terms of violence and coarseness? Try growing up black in America at any point before 1980, and I guarantee you that you will not look back fondly at those "Leave it to beaver days," when you could be killed for the color of your skin every time you stepped out your front door.

Your "Sure, there were problems then (insert problem)" sounds to me like an absurd dismissal of the staggering oppression during your "Leave it to Beaver days." For chrissakes, back then they HANGED PEOPLE FROM TREES.

Indeed, let me rephrase what you said up there by inserting some "politically unfashionable issues":

"There were unspeakable acts of violence and evil for people of certain colors (politically unfashionable issue), but at least in those days [leave it to beaver], us white folk lived simpler, happier lives and the fact remains that we didn't have to worry about mass shootings. Sure, black people were regularly hunted down like dogs (politically unfashionable issue). But nowadays society is more violent and coarser. And I blame it on widespread Federal programs aimed at equal opportunity for all."

Sir, you have yet to explain your logic.

 Prior to that, we lived in Leave it to Beaver land, where doors were routinely left unlocked, women walked the streets in safety & mass shootings were, for the most part, a fluke. After that............well, we have the world we live in today.

I hope this is sarcasm.

This "Leave It to Beaver Land" you speak of was certainly not the experience for us non-white folk. In fact we were literally kept out of it.

 But things are not always what they first appear. But George Zimmerman didn't meet the sweet 12 year child on the pony that night that lamestream media so desperately tried to push.

Not to veer too off-topic, but I can't resist. Does it really matter? What if he was a bad boy school bully? We should be ok with his death then?

A 17 year old kid was killed. For doing what, exactly?

If Zimmerman did not have a gun, I am fairly sure he would still be alive today. Maybe Trayvon should have had a gun to defend himself. I'm sure if you had 17 year old sons (or daughters, for that matter), you would want them to be able to protect themselves with a gun too, right?

So this is what a free, polite society comes down to. A cold war between all. 

...

And please don't tell me BUT TYRANNY!

Yeah, sure, I mean, look at Canada. Those poor bastards.

*Sigh* I hope that my futile replies will at least convince our dear readers that Americans are not as misinformed.

AR15s have a place for home defense. They are nice to have after a hurricane. The Koreans loved theirs during the LA riots.

Sure they did. Now imagine the rioters having guns too. Or are we going to be selective about who buys guns?  Doesn't make sense does it?

The worst school killing in US history was from bombs. A gallon of gas killed 87 people in the Happy Land dance hall. Or was it the nut killed 87 with a gallon of gas? Mcvay used a car bomb. The 911 nuts used planes. People will find away.

People will find a way, sure. But guns make it a heckuva lot easier. Imagine if that guy in China who stabbed 22 kids had exercised his due freedom and had a gun. 

Besides, the argument doesn't hold logic as a whole. People will find ways to do heroin, and meth. Well, I guess we should abandon drug laws then. People will find ways to sneak through the border. Well, so much for tightening immigration control.

That is what the media and politicians are counting on. 

 

 

 

Here are the facts.

 

 

U.S. violent crime down for fifth straight year

[...]

With record gun sales, our crime rate is the lowest since 1964

 

We must address the people side of the equation. Why do they do it and how can it be prevented?

This argument doesn't work either. It ignores that what other factors could be in the equation. 

Here, I'll give y'all an example. Obesity rates have gun up too, and crime has gone down. I interpret this to mean that people are less hungry, therefore happier, therefore less likely to commit crime. 

Makes sense right? Those are the facts.

Bottom line, you can't just connect two facts and make it seem like one caused the other.

Thank you for backing up my latest point.

He has since backed out on that. See his latest presser.

Not that it would make a difference to you guys anyway.

I'm fairly convinced that gun lovers are as attached to their penises as they are to their guns, and guns as a whole.

Makes sense anyway. Which is why we get people saying that we should by all means have the right to mount 50cals on pickups.

This will always be a polarizing topic with no winners and no losers. Take a slingshot and some buckshot or metal 8mm ball bearings and you can do a lot of damage. The repeat rate is not as drastic at all, but there's a lot of damage.

Sick [censored]s are always going to be there.

Bottom line, you'll have vegan and animal lovers on one side and meat eaters on the opposite. I like my steaks medium rare to just brazed.

Except on the American side a lot more people die from guns than on the other side, and we Americans continue to claim that it has nothing to do with guns.

So, at least here in America, your side wins.

Oh and btw, I grew up in Switzerland, where almost every male Swiss citizen over the age of 18 has an assault rifle. I can tell you now that that factoid is totally misleading. A lot choose not to keep it at home. Also, the rifles come with months' worth of military training, which I guarantee you is not fun. In fact most kids try to avoid it nowadays.

It is VERY HARD to buy a gun in Switzerland.

It is pretty easy to do it here. But that's the whole point right? Freedom! Thank God we're not Canada! They are TOTALLY oppressed by their tyrannical government. Hey guys, let's send them guns, so they can take down their oppressive gun laws and finally be free!

I digress. Forget I said anything. Yes, I am here to change your mind. Call it quixotic but it needs to be done. So let's address this from another angle.

Let's stop wasting time talking about Freedom and militias and your gun rights.

As I said earlier, at the root of it, it's really about the fact that no other tool makes one feel more powerful than a gun does. I can see why that's hard to let go. Let's talk about that.

I don't think this is really about militias or freedom, rights or self-defense, and what have you.

At the root of it, it's that no other tool will make one feel as powerful as a gun does.

I will leave this here, without any further comment. From Alec Wilkinson:

Years ago, when I was twenty-two, I was a policeman in Wellfleet, Massachusetts, on Cape Cod, and I had a .38 Smith and Wesson. It wasn’t mine; it had been given to me on my first night of work, selected by the sergeant, who took it from a desk drawer in the chief’s office, along with another .38. He measured them beside each other then decided that one of them had a problem with its trigger and gave me what he was pretty sure was the other one. Two thousand people lived in Wellfleet, and we were a fairly informal two-car department of nine men.

Somewhere Chesterton writes—I think it is Chesterton—that you cannot reason a man from a position that reason didn’t deliver him to. A few days later I was taken to the firing range and given six bullets to shoot at a hillside, which was all I could hit. It was the first time I had fired a gun, and by the time the chambers were empty I understood something: a gun was an object in which a power of nature was concentrated so forcefully that a person could use one and feel party to a solemn and thrilling mystery. The thought crossed my mind, unbidden, that if I pointed the gun at the man beside me I could end his life. I don’t mean that I had a murderous impulse, I mean that I had become aware of the authority that the gun had given me. Absent its hard, mechanical shell in my hand, I had no special power. I was just a guy.

A 7753 works fine with with a DW build...if you do search...I've build one with a 7753.  The day/date wheel plate makes up for the extra thickiness.  A 7752 is a waste for a Rolex build, because you can use it for a Panerai build.

Any chance you could send me the link? Thanks!

PM member jmb or contact Angus at Puretime.

I am a n00b but, is there any reason that you don't want to use ETA7753 instead of 7750? 7753 is the same movement as the Val 7750 except the 7753 has the register hands at 3, 6 & 9. Ofrei sells gen 7753 http://www.ofrei.com/page240.html

Dial spacing isn't the same. At least I don't think so.

None of them have worked particularly well, all due to old parts (so servicing wasn't really an option).

What's a better alternative ETA 2783? Or should I just live with hi-beat and go for the more accurate 2836-2?

The Republicans will be frothing at the mouth & dancing in the streets as they get handed an election if this gets pushed to far by "O".

Don't forget the FEMA camps. "O" will definitely lose votes because of those.

You guys need more hugs.

And let me guess, the only thing stopping them is your guns? I guess I'll be thanking y'all when Obama sends his tanks on us.

Mike, let's compare your position with the one highlighted in the Onion.

At what cost freedom is the question. I can neither guarantee freedom with guns in hand nor stop such acts with them being outlawed. I do however guarantee that without them eventually we will be at the mercy of the governments ever expanding  role constantly eroding our freedom and also that the criminals & deranged will find a why to get them or use other means to do harm.

"Sure, it’s sad that a few kids died, but it’s far better than the tyranny that would result if the government came and took away all our guns. Can you even imagine what kind of horrible world that would be?”

Hm.

^Epic win. This article sums it up pretty well.

NEWTOWN, CT—Following today’s mass shooting that left 20 young children dead at a Connecticut elementary school, numerous sources across the country reported that their government-protected right to own a portable device that propels small masses of metal through the air at lethal rates of speed is completely worth any such consequences. “It’s my God-given right and a founding principle of this country that I be able to own a [piece of metal that launches other smaller pieces of metal great distances, one after the other], and if a few deaths here and there is the price we have to pay for that freedom, then so be it,” said Lawrence Crane of nearby Danbury, CT, who is such a staunch advocate of the portable deadly-pellet-flinging apparatuses that he keeps multiple versions of such mechanisms in his home, often carries one with him, and is a member of a club whose sole purpose is to celebrate these assembled steel things and the small bits of metal they send flying. “Sure, it’s sad that a few kids died, but it’s far better than the tyranny that would result if the government came and took away all our [mechanical contraptions that make a lot of little pointy chunks of metal go through the air fast]. Can you even imagine what kind of horrible world that would be?” The man added that if the events that unfolded today led lawmakers to question his ability to possess any such items of steel and lead, authorities would have to “pry the [wholly inanimate mechanical object, nothing more, nothing less] from [his] dead hands.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/right-to-own-handheld-device-that-shoots-deadly-me,30742/

I'm going to talk about guns. It's not politicising it because it is at the heart of how these things happen in the first place.

I say this could have been prevented if the kids had received gun TRAINING and had guns themselves. I've been shooting pretty much since I could walk and I no doubt would have taken out the perp on the spot.

They could have protected themselves and our freedom. Now those goddamn libtards are gonna try and take that away and we will go in the wrong direction. That's all I have to say.

He is the man. He is the legend.

He's done plenty of work for me and has been more than a gentleman throughout. He is one of the people that makes this community truly great.

It's the holidays, so I'm in a cheerful mood. Hear hear jmb!

I've sent my chrono's to George (14060 or 10660) with very good results and also Speedy G with good results. Speedy did have to work on one of them a couple of times to get the minor bugs worked out. He did fix it the second time for free under warrantee with no hassle.

Thank you!

I'm not sure I'd agree that a $150 Asian movement is just as good as a $400 Swiss movement. They may be considered good for the money once serviced but I really doubt they are equivalent in quality. Just my opinion, of course.

From what I've read, I think this was Zig's opinion as well. Except that the difference in quality was not considerable when you take the price into account.