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...okay so I don't know the alphabet...lol... The results are listed alphabetically - Franck Muller Conquistador Breitling Bentley GT IWC Flieger Chrono :cc_confused: ...it's late... :cc_surrender:

With well over 3300 views of over 110 posts by over 40 members, crystalcranium's 'Iyho, What Is The Most Perfect Replica Today' topic has provided results that every member will possibly find very interesting. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=17016 The results are listed alphabetically - Franck Muller Conquistador Breitling Bentley GT IWC Flieger Chrono IWC Ingenieur Omega Planet Ocean (7th Generation) Omega Seamaster Pro Omega Seamaster Chrono PAM 050 Tag Heuer Link Tag Heuer Link Chrono Huge thanks to everyone who contributed (alphabetically) - By-Tor, chieftang, chrgod, craytonic, crystalcranium, dluddy, eddhead, Edge, Estaban, Febus, fitmic, flavor flav, fxrandy, gillorin, Hyster, jd6753, jdkno, jeff g, kruzer00, maxse, MJP, morgan, nelly, phoband, Polynomial, Pugwash, ProZac, r11co, Richard Tracy, sailboat641, SBOB, sssurfer, tenacious_b, thomasng, triplrhd, ubiquitous, uziuzi, vaca22, yodaddynukka and youpmelone.

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Hi again Nelly. Is the Bentley GT day and date fonts meant to be black - and is anyone offering these casebacks? http://cgi.ebay.com/BREITLING-BENTLEY-GT-R...tem320058652088 Or is the day dark red and the date black? http://cgi.ebay.com/BREITLING-BENTLEY-GT-R...tem320059223714 The rep doesn't seem accurate with the day and date fonts or caseback - http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...p;hl=bentley+gt http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_p...products_id=671 http://perfect-clones.com/bl10020-bentley-...nos-p-1346.html Or are the comparison shots in this burgundy Bentley GT mod guide correct? http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...&hl=bentley Any opinions on this from anyone?

Thanks for that Nelly and I'm glad you're so pleased with your latest rep - do you have any pics so other members can also see how good it is? How does your new Breitling compare with the ones By-Tor reviewed - http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...mp;hl=breitling http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...mp;hl=breitling http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...mp;hl=breitling http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...mp;hl=breitling Haven't found a Bentley GT review - do you know where one is? Cheers Nelly

Brilliant blueclub. I've been looking for this for ages - even been all over ebay sites but not the chinese one - Clicked all over this listing, his ebay shop, other listings etc and can't find a website - any ideas anyone? I could maybe just bid on the thing but I have no idea what's being said on this site and what currency the item's being offered at. It's possible the Veptu will just be for ebay purposes Eunomians - I'm sure they will be able to provide them properly engraved - although he just keeps saying sorry to the person who wants to ship them to Germany, and the person who wants to get one during a stopover in HK. I'm not being lazy coz I've been all over the place researching and searching for the elusive rep Vertu's and I'll keep trying coz I think we're getting closer - but any suggestions where I can go from here? Many Thanks All

Many Thanks By-Tor. Apart from your welcome comments at the very start of this topic, there have been no further contributions from any other member regarding the Ultimate Planet Ocean. However I'm sure that's maybe just because if you say it should be on the list nobody will argue with the By-Tor After reading subzero's new review (please see link below) and as more members receive their 7th Generations, I'm sure there will be plenty of other members shouting for the PO as well. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...;hl=ultimate+po FM Conquistador IWC Ingenieur PAM 050 PO Ultimate 7th Gen Seamaster Chrono Seamaster Pro Tag Link Tag Link Chrono I know this is off topic but I must take this opportunity to genuinely thank you for all your reviews, advice and guidance etc By-Tor. I've read all of them (so have thousands of others) and it's an understatement to say they are all excellent and invaluable. Sincere Thanks By-Tor (do you think I'll ever see the Daytona(s) I've always wanted on this list lol... - or is there more chance of me winning the lottery four weeks in a row...with the same numbers lol... )

Just spotted it Pugwash - excellent IWC Flieger Chrono pics. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...274&hl=sash When's the review due Pugwash?

First of all I apologise to crystalcranium for almost 'hijacking' this topic for my own selfish ends - ie finding out what is / are the Most Perfect Replica Available Today so I can go straight out and buy my first rep before probably buying each and every rep listed here over time. However, judging by the number of views and posts in this topic, I suspect my question was one that many members were looking to find out the answer(s) for so they too could make an informed and balanced decision about their first and / or subsequent rep purchases. With regard to the list crystalcranium, which is alphabetical and not prioritised because I am a newbie and acknowledge I'm in no position to make any judgements like that, I just thought it seemed sensible to collate all the comments and opinions posted in this topic and elsewhere on this forum by experienced and trusted members so that everyone could see at a glance what the Perfect contender's potential flaws are - and members can perhaps therefore make up their own minds as to which one they believe is their own Perfect rep. IMHO, for what it's worth, I don't believe that any of the flaws mentioned for any of the watches would be too difficult to resolve either by the manufacturers themselves (via feedback from the trusted dealers) or by sourcing our own local watchsmith who could amend each rep accordingly - in both cases by using the information kindly provided in this topic and elsewhere by knowledgeable members. Hope this clarifies things crystalcranium as the last thing I would ever want to do is offend or p.off anyone. sssurfer I am inclined to agree with your final remark regarding Andrew's latest PAM 050 after reading through all the relevant posts in this topic (especially yours) and elsewhere on this forum. Although, once again, who am I to judge as I'm still a newbie and only looking at photos on a dealers website. Pugwash you might have found another Perfect IWC and eighth Perfect rep contender (any pics?) - do you know if there is any member feedback, rep v gen or other reviews on this or any other forum? Hopefully without offending crystalcranium or anyone else for that matter and with the list seemingly now complete (IWC Flieger Chrono aside), perhaps the only question now remaining is - What are the best movements for each watch to make it The Most Perfect Replica Available Today both inside and out? I know there may be a number of these reps that are possibly available with movements that are identical with the gen (some are even engraved the same) but others do not and some movements may be better and more accurate with the gen movement than others. Just for everyone's reference, here's the current list of possible Perfect's so far (alphabetical). FM Conquistador IWC Ingenieur PAM 050 Seamaster Chrono Seamaster Pro Tag Link Tag Link Chrono At the end of the day, without feedback from current and potential customers, dealers and manufacturers wouldn't necessarily know how to update, upgrade and improve their products. And, IMHO, I believe it wouldn't take too much for any dealer and / or manufacturer to look at this topic and realise they have the potential to (relatively easily) produce no less than seven of the world's best and flawless replica / clone timepieces - and make a bucketload of money at the same time (seven must buys for every replica enthusiast and / or collector). What do you guys think?

Thanks for the comments everyone. I too think that Vertu reps would sell very well - but my research is not turning out to be as easy as the searching I did for rep watches and bags. I also agree that any cell / mobile that costs thousands is way overpriced (concierge sounds good but you can't lay him / her down on the desk for your colleagues to admire like you can with the phone [or a quality rep watch or bag] - or can you lol ? ? ? ) but I also think that charging thousands (even tens of thousands) for watches and bags is overpricing and that's why I'm here looking for the best quality watch, bag and phone reps. Can anyone please point me in the right direction for my rep Vertu research coz I'm not getting very far at the moment (lots of wasted hours so far) - will post everything I find out in this topic. Thanks Again All

No problem sssurfer - you really know your stuff friend. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...&hl=pam+050 I did notice your comment in there. Did a search for pam 050 and read all the relevant topics - did the same with all the shortlisted reps. Last post on that topic was in April so all matters could be resolved. Thanks fitmic - I noticed a couple of mentions of this as well but subsequent posts seemed to say issue was resolved - included your comments, thanks again. FM Conquistador (possible polished bracelet, date window, crown and hand colour issues) IWC Ingenieur (possible short hands, bezel paint, datewheel and bracelet issues) PAM 050 (possible #6 numeral, bracelet clasp, first link and recessed pin issues [all may be resolved with current latest releases]) Seamaster Chrono (possible bezel, bezel pearl, bezel insert, caseback engraving, slipping #6 subdial, bracelet clasp text and bracelet screw issues) Seamaster Pro (possible bezel, bezel pearl, HEV position, crown guards, clasp damage liability and bracelet screw issues) Tag Link (possible bracelet laser etching and endlink engraving issues) Tag Link Chrono (possible date window and datefont issues) All further comments and opinions on the above and any other Perfect's will be greatly appreciated. Thanks All

These are high end items and I am just wondering if anyone knows if reps exist because they seem to be sought after. http://cgi.ebay.com/VERTU-SIGNATURE-Stainl...1QQcmdZViewItem If they do - are they reliable, what's the cost and where do I buy? I've only started researching this and any advice would be appreciated. Thank You

This topic gets better and more interesting every day and with every post. I've checked all the posted comments and forum reviews for the reps that seem to be the Perfect contenders so far (alphabetically). FM Conquistador (possible polished bracelet, date window, crown and hand colour issues) IWC Ingenieur (possible bezel paint, datewheel and bracelet issues) PAM 050 (possible #6 numeral, bracelet clasp, first link and recessed pin issues) Seamaster Chrono (possible bezel, bezel pearl, bezel insert, caseback engraving, slipping #6 subdial, bracelet clasp text and bracelet screw issues) Seamaster Pro (possible bezel, bezel pearl, HEV position, crown guards, clasp damage liability and bracelet screw issues) Tag Link (possible bracelet laser etching and endlink engraving issues) Tag Link Chrono (possible date window and datefont issues) Is this correct - have I missed anything or included anything that has been resolved?

Maybe no need to disappear just yet sssurfer. Is this one a micron out? http://perfect-clones.com/pn05001-40mm-aut...7750-p-451.html Or this one? http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_p...;products_id=84 Just a quick summary of the opinions so far? IWC Ingenieur (possible bezel paint and bracelet issues) PAM 050 (possible #6 numeral issue) Tag Link Chrono FM Conquistador (possible polished bracelet issue) SMP 2531 SMP Chrono (possible flimsy bexel, misaligned insert and bracelet screw issues) Is this right? Thanks again for all the great posts so far guys - for us newbies (who have done plenty of research but are looking for experienced opinions) there's no better topic on this forum.

Thanks for the link Ken - excellent info. Everyone who wants to find out what's really going on with the Super Copy bag thing will now get their questions answered.

Thanks for clarifying this subject Ryyannon. It seems that the Ultimate True Super Dooper Copy Blah Blah Bags that many have been talking about on this forum and everywhere else don't exist - probably never have done - and possibly never will do. And all the stuff I've researched on this forum, other forums, newspaper articles, websites etc etc about the mirror perfect and flawless identical reps that can't be identified by manufacturers is likely to be just one of those stories that was maybe loosely based on fact (the Italian reps that were gens sold out the back door of the gen factories by workers doing 'overtime') but didn't really happen. At the end of the day (and after researching Supers all over the place and on the forums) all I was looking for was a bit of advice and guidance from those who know a lot about this subject - and that's what I've now eventually been given (about bags - still working on the watches) and I'm grateful for. I'm not trying to p.off anyone or waste anyones time - just find out how good or otherwise the items (watches and bags) that are being offered for sale actually are - there's a great deal of information on this forum, other forums and all over the place (about both watches and bags) so asking those who are trusted and really know about them seems to be just common sense - regardless of how much research anyone can do independently. A newbie I am...an idiot I am not. Thanks Again Ryyannon.

I totally agree with everything you've said ahchard and the only reason I'm asking Sash about this is because I was directed to this topic and read every post. There's a number of comments by members who really know their stuff on this subject and I'm possibly going to be spending quite a bit of money on these bags (probably half a dozen or so) and I just want to be sure. No rush tho coz I've got all the xmas presents already so they will just be gifts and I'll probably wait and see what Chicken Manny and Ryannon say in the reviews before committing. I'm not even bothered about how long it takes to receive my order once I eventually place it (takes 1-2 weeks to make each bag - longer if one of the wimmin folk decide they want a real croc or ostrich Birkin) coz I'd rather get the ultimate quality later rather than than get an even slightly inferior product sooner. By the way, the definition of a true Super Copy bag rep seems to be - flawless rep indistinguishable from the gen even by the manufacturers. We're in a watch forum so as a newbie who's looking for the same calibre of watch I have to ask...Does such a flawless true Super Copy rep watch exist? (I've already asked in the Perfect Replica topic in the General Discussion area)

As a newbie I was nervous about posting in this topic but the response from you guys is very impressive to say the least - sincere thanks to all At the moment it seems there are six perfect reps currently available - TAG Link Chrono, SMP 2531, SMP Chrono, Ultimate PO 45mm, IWC Ingenieur and PAM 050. It's clear my decision (and probably many others who are watching this topic develop before buying their first / next rep) on which watch to buy will be difficult and I may have to buy more than one because the calibre of the reps mentioned by you guys (who know a lot more about this than I do even tho I've spent countless hours researching) is so high. Brilliant challenge sssurfer - can't wait to see the responses. I've been actively looking at and researching Sash and others Hermes Birkin Super Copy bags (which I came across by accident during my watch research on this forum) and there seems to be a definition in the rep bag industry for a true Super Copy - flawless rep that is indistinguishable from the gen even by the manufacturers themselves - and that even includes the box, papers, AD invoice, accessories etc etc. The only reason these bag reps grabbed my attention was the fact that they are absolutely identical to the gen (and I know of a few wimmin folk relatives who I can gift them to) and that's the calibre of rep watch(es) I'm looking for - and I'm sure many others are as well. I'm a newbie so it may be totally naive to think that such a watch exists (never mind the box, papers etc) or is even going to exist - so I'm maybe looking for the Holy Grail of rep watches that cannot be found but I'll keep trying for the next few weeks or so and I know that if it does exist you guys will point me (and everyone else) in the right direction. Thanks Again All

Thanks Kenberg for directing me to this post from the General Discussion area - anyone else who hasn't visited the Birkin posts in there might find the topics and posts of interest. Nobody has posted in this topic for some time so I'm wondering how your search for the true Super Copies is going Jaymoi? @Sash - Hello again friend. As you know I'm very interested in aquiring a number of your very best Super Copies but, after reading the posts in this topic, I'm just wondering if you are absolutely sure your ones are true Super Copies and not maybe the very best quality available at the moment but perhaps not quite a true Super Copy? I know you are one of the most trusted dealers on this and other forums with hundreds of highly satisfied repeat customers and please be assured I mean absolutely no disrespect whatsoever. Indeed, if you say they are true Super Copies then I know that's exactly what they are but can I explain that I am always prepared to spend more and obtain the very best (most accurate to the gen) available (and affordable - that's why I'm looking for the best rep not just the best Rolex, Omega, Submariner etc.) - and that's why I'm no longer sourcing the Daytona(s) I've always wanted because, after researching this and other forums, I now know that the movements are compromised so a rep Daytona cannot possibly be the best rep. I'm now looking for the best rep watch available (inside and out) regardless of manufacturer or model and I'm prepared to spend that bit more to get it with a Swiss 7750 (if applicable and the best option for the watch) and then spend some more to get it fully serviced, pressure tested etc when I receive it. It's the same with the bags - I know there are lower grade copies available of many different bags (including Birkin's) but I would never be interested in these and will only ever be interested in true Super Copies, regardless of manufacturer or model (they don't have to be Birkins). I've done my fair share of researching this subject and it's my understanding that if any flaw of any kind is present in the bag, box, papers, raincovers, branded wrapping / tissue paper, AD invoice etc etc then it cannot be a Super Copy because a true Super Copy is completely flawless in every detail (even packaging and accessories etc) and cannot be distinguished from the gen - even by the manufacturers themselves. Am I wrong about this? I'm more than happy to wait until Chicken Manny and others complete their reviews and Ryyannon and others have had their chance to advise but could you please just let me know if, in your professional opinion, your bags are the very best quality available at the moment or true flawless Super Copies. Thanks Sash.

Many Thanks Febus

So it it still only me or does anyone else think $272,999 for half a dozen bags is crazy? http://cgi.ebay.com/35-Hermes-Birkin-Sexy-...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Hermes-35CM-CROCOD...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/35-cm-HERMES-Birkin-Go...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/XMAS-DREAM-Candy-PINK-...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/XMAS-DREAM-Black-Beaut...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/HERMES-BIRKIN-35cm-Bag...1QQcmdZViewItem

Okay so now I'm really going to show myself up as a newbie - What's an Inge / Ingy / Ingie?

Thanks for the great opinions everyone. Been doing a lot of research all over this forum, other forums and dealer sites and this is exactly what a newbie like me who wants the best rep inside and out (regardless of brand or model) has been looking for - I'm no longer looking for the Daytona(s) I've always wanted because of the excellent posts and advice I've found on this and other forums. So far it seems the 'Perfect' contenders are - TAG Link Chrono, SMP 2531, SMP Chrono and Ultimate PO 45mm...and the ones to look out for are the Pan 252 Northpole GMT, Steelfish Superocean GMT and Chronomat Evolution. Does anyone know if any of these are available anywhere with the Swiss 7750 (preferably with the correct engravings) or is there a dealer who will provide on request as I can't find them on dealer sites? Also seen the Navitimer Serie Speciale with Swiss 7750 and Bentley with Asia 7750 recommended by some in other topics but not others - are these 'Perfect' contenders? Thanks again everyone and I'll keep my eye on this topic to see what other welcome opinions are posted.

@Kruzer you should maybe have bought the bag for $23k!!! - and more than doubled your money!!!...Check out this link friend - The World Has Truly Gone Totally Mad. http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Hermes-35CM-CROCOD...1QQcmdZViewItem After showing Sash's pics to few wimmin folk to see if they would be interested, I'm definitely going to have to get at least half a dozen of Sash's Super's (one or two for the wife, the daughter and the mother - one each for every day and one each for the big nights out) if Chicken Manny and others do positive reviews. How the wimmin love Sash's Super Birkin's, Super LV's and Super Chloe's and they drool over the boxes, papers, raincovers (and even AD invoices) etc etc just as much - I just don't get it but the wimmin definitely do. @Sash - Are the prices for croc and ostrich at $600-$700 for embossed leather or real croc and real ostrich leather? @ryyannon - You have clearly done the most extensive research on this subject over an extended period of time and obviously have the the biggest and best knowledge and understanding of the Korean Super AAAAA+++++ market (many thanks for all the informative posts) - so I'm just wondering if you have or could post (should possibly be pinned coz this topic could definitely grow on this forum and elsewhere if Sash and others start getting more of the very best Super's) a tutorial / review / guidance / sources etc for all us newbies and everyone else that is thinking about dropping serious amounts of money for the very best mirrors. And where do / have/ / would you get your ones from ryyannon?

Excellent topic crystalcranium and one that possibly needs to be updated every three months or so as new and / or improved versions become available. How about posing an add on question regarding the 'best' movement available in reps at the moment (Swiss 7750 that is found in many gens) and what is the Most Perfect Replica Available Today out of the box with the 'best' movement - surely this will give everyone who is looking for the ultimate rep watch (inside and out) their ideal answer, regardless of any specific manufacturer or model...not just the best Sub, Daytona, Omega etc, at least until new models and versions appear. To start the ball rolling, how about these as possible contenders for The Most Perfect Replica crown - http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_p...products_id=925 http://perfect-clones.com/bl10042-navitime...ing-p-1872.html http://perfect-clones.com/iw10041-flieger-...nos-p-2140.html http://perfect-clones.com/iw10042-spitfire...nos-p-2141.html http://perfect-clones.com/iw10043-spitfire...nos-p-2138.html http://www.bestswiss-watches.com/product_i...roducts_id=1370 http://www.silix-prime.com/product.asp?id=1724 Having said this, are any of them really 'perfect' out of the box or should they be serviced on receipt to overcome the QC, 'mass' production (additional lubrication, missing seals and o rings etc.) and water resistance (pressure testing) issues that are mentioned on this and other forums? I don't think I would be the only member who will be very interested to hear the views of everyone on this subject, especially by-tor and the other experienced members who have a depth of knowledge on this type of question that the rest of us can only admire and listen to. Thanks again for the question crystalcranium and I'm looking forward to watching your topic. I've spent a huge amount of time researching this and other forums and this topic is the one I've been looking for (I didn't want to start one coz I thought I'd just get the 'do your research' replies). I'll wait and see what replies, opinions, advice and guidance is posted over the next few weeks or so get before going straight out and getting The Most Perfect Replica Available Today.