By-Tor

GMT today.

Excellent pictorial. Thanks for taking the time.

Steel Sub today.

Damn nice.

But shitty pics. Send it over here and I'll photograph it properly.

Hi Dave, that one would be a bit too much for me but it's a beautiful watch.

Is this the rep?

http://www.1-pc8838.com/rldf10006-sunset-gold-dial-asia-7750-running-secs-p-1584.html

Try Ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=rolex+gmt+insert&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Little info about the "Fat Lady" and GMT Master in general.

http://doubleredseadweller.com/gmt_transition.htm

Actually this model was never originally available with the Pepsi bezel.

Nice PO's.

Wearing the Aquaracer again.

What "dodgy 9"?

That's a genuine watch without a doubt.

I'm actually pissed off that my WM9 with gen insert & crown & bracelet mods is pretty much indistinguishable from the gen.

I could use a good excuse to buy the gen. Maybe I'll get the 14060. But wait... my dad already has one and promised it to me.

Funny... after being in this hobby for nearly 10 years the circle is complete. Plain old Steel Sub gets the most wrist time at the moment.

WM9 Sub.

I think the 16610 is the very last of the great Rolex subs, classic in fit and function. The ceramics are horrific disjointed looking pieces of bling.

+1

Is is a bit of a shame that the 16610 became the 'one good watch' of choice for anyone with a good salary. You kind of get the feeling that you just can't approach someone with a 16610 and talk watches, say "nice sub" and 90% of the time you'll get a wtf "it's not a sub, it's a rolex" type answer. Still great watches though!

Maybe in the US but not necessarily here in Europe. If someone here wears a Sub he's automatically a "watch guy" in my eyes. You don't see them that much. A lot of older guys are wearing DateJusts. I never liked DJ's that much... that's a real "old man watch"... especially this version with a Jubilee bracelet... it's really difficult to see its attraction.

I never liked the vintages that much. 1675, yes, because it has slender lines. Vintage Sea Dweller is nice too. But the bulged crystal on 1680 ruins the watch for me. It's a taste thing... I totally understand the attraction but it just isn't my cup of tea.

Personally I think 16610 perfected the Sub. Maybe it has something to do with my age. I'm 40 now... I grew up admiring those 5-digit Rolexes. Maybe older guys feel the same way about the vintages... and maybe the young generation loves those fat lug versions. Personally I think they ruined the classic. Improving perfection isn't possible.

How could it become passe? It's a legend.

It's absolutely perfect and the slender lines and classy white gold markers perfected the looks after 1680.

Best Rolex ever (along with 16710). Absolutely no doubt about it... in my mind, anyway.

Hmm... I'm not following. What's the point of this case?

WM9/TC case is superior. Why not just buy a TC and go from there?

I'm not missing any of my old Rollies... after WM9/TC they became completely meaningless.

The only great Rolex super rep (from the old days) was the Noob version ExpII, which was almost as accurate as WM9/TC. It never got the recognition and respect it deserved.

These were awesome.

I'm not saying the reps back then were shite. That CN Sub in the 1st picture was the most accurate one. Watcher even posted a gen vs. rep comparison and everyone was praising how accurate the rep was.

Now the reps are insanely accurate. Take something like WM9/TC Subs with some mods... you gotta be a SUPER NERD to be able to call them out. They're so good.

To be honest, I have enjoyed some of the less accurate reps the most (like Ebel BTR and Speedmaster Broad Arrow). They both felt like high quality watches and could "fool" anyone.

BTR was the best quality rep I ever owned and I loved the Speedy.

WTF?

http://tinyurl.com/c7jaknq

Funny how he mentions it's a 2008 model. Yet it has the engravings in the 2nd pic, and it's without them in the 1st pic.

Scam.

Here's another scam. 1st sales picture stolen from John Holmbrook (the new fat lugs TT). Two other pics are of a shitty 16613 fake.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Here-Is-A-Rolex-Submariner-Steel-And-Gold-Blue-Dial-Steel-Bracelet-/170929269110?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item27cc2da976

I was buying a gen insert from Joe once and I asked if I could send the PayPal payment in Euros.

Joe asked "What are the Euros? Are they like Dollars?"

Hey... I went through my old Photobucket albums and found pics of the best Rollie reps from the mid-decade.

Joshua CN Sub with mods by "Palpatine". Absolutely laughable. Wrong dw position, bad bracelet, medicore dial.

Very sought-after "TW Best" model from River. Felt more substantial than the CN version. It was the only one with correct dw position but everything else was very inaccurate.

Very expensive MBW "Red" 1680. Good base watch for mods but very inaccurate. The dial was totally wrong.

CN 16710 GMT Master II. Nice crown & guards, the rest was... well, medicore at best. Again, wrong dw position.

This might have been my worst Rollie rep ever... look at the grey hour markers and misplaced date wheel.

Man they were absolutely AWFUL. And we were paying big bucks for these... and wearing them proudly.

Repeat after me "new members are spoiled".

Hmm... how can you determine the age?

Dials/watches might face very different conditions. How do the watches differ if you take a dial from a 50-year old daily beater or from a 50-year old "drawer queen"?

Here are my vintages. The first one is from my great grandfather and it's about 80 years old. The dial is almost like new.

Borel Nuchatel with Breguet coil.

This Swiss Choisi is from my grandfather... bought during the WW2. About 67 years old. Shows excessive "patina".

Not trying to question your expertise but just thinking loud.

Bond Seamaster.

Superb! I love them all!

SMP Chrono.