dan_189

Are we talking 166610 vs 16610 or 116610 to 16610? Or just modern Subs in general?

Either way 116610 vs 16610 IMO if we were able to source 1:1 cases and genuine parts more readily they would be (if not more) popular. Its the fact the 16610 can be built most to perfection that drives its praise and following... Or at least thats the case for me!!

Ive seen the 116610 in person, its nothing short of amazing which you would expect especially compared to the 116610 reps that are being made,,,   

Didn't even know there was a space dweller! Just read up on it... Nice!

That is beautiful and a great job, but like others have mentioned... Where is your price point? Unless you got silly deals on your gen parts, it would seem going this route would put you close to a used gen, cost wise. Am I wrong?

Its all about the journey... Franken build like this i'd estimate anywhere from 1-2.5k+ off a used gen price

I have a genuine bezel, genuine tension spring and have bought 2 retaining rings both meant to be genuine, neither have worked (one works but wont spin easily with the tension spring). Complete genuine bezel sets are getting harder to come by these days... So that in mind I need to find a tension spring that suits what I have

Does anyone know the size of a 14060m tension spring? 

I know the Sean is gen spec. not sure about the TC, does anyone have a measurement of the TC tension ring?

I have found this:

Gives some insight to the other size tension washers/springs

Does anyone know if the Sean crystal retainer will fit a genuine bezel (not the insert)? Ive already commented on your build but ill do it again... Looking excellent!

May make some people cringe including myself, but its interesting to read:

http://www.minus4plus6.com/ouch.htm

One article talks about a marker coming off if the watch is dropped... *shudder!*

Id love to build a 6263... Im starting to feel the want to build another franken arghhhh daytona parts are expensive though...

GLW the build!

Wow amazing write up

Yep, been sliding it in underneath the spring as all the tutorials etc show. It's a problem with size of the retaining ring and tension spring

Like the guys above said use a TC bracelet/SEL's and find a gen 93250 clasp. Even if you buy a 1k gen bracelet, you are still going to have to use the TC SEL's to fit that watch. Save some money and use it for something else like a gen crystal, insert. crown, etc.

Or get a Sean case!

Thats an excellent price I've seen worse condition ones on offer for more

Hey all,

Has anyone compared tension spring/friction springs from the various 16610 makers? TC, Sean, Genuine? Im assuming that both the 16800 and 16610 have the same size tension spring?

I have a crystal retainer that fits a genuine bezel but wont rotate if there is a genuine 16610 tension spring in it!? It also pushes the bezel up not leaving

much of a crystal lip which doesnt look genuine.

I can provide measurements for the gen but I dont have the Sean and TC springs any more  

Rep life...

Thanks!

Lug width is the downfall of the TC when going superfranken  

A genuine bracelet is not wide enough to fit TC cases. You'll have to swap the TC SEL onto the genuine bracelet or use a Sean case

Best of luck and ebay is a good place so if VRF prices vary between 600-1000 including a clasp. It's rare if you find just the bracelet without a clasp.

Anyone know how wide a genuine 703 crown is?

Also how wide is a 704 crown? Is it the same as a 703 just a monoblock construction instead but still the same size as a 703?

Well...as I wrote...according to that one and only pic of yours it looks like the lower CG has a weired rounded inner shape and that's there a pretty visual gap between the SEL and the horns.

Lucky you if it's only the pic or my eyes...don't wanna offend you

Sent from my wooden drums using Tupperware.

All good Im not sure there might be or it might be the pic. As for the gap is that horizontal (between the lugs) or vertical? 

Here is the finished build thread for those interested:

http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/155385-the-saga-ends-its-all-done-submariner-16610/

Here is all the headaches it came with:

http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/152421-another-sean-build/

Thanks BTW!

Well...it depends on the way one is looking at it...he probably spent more on this uberfranken then he would have to spent on a total genuine but still has a watch that, according to his pics (SEL fitment, CG trim), screams "rep"...from my/this point of view I cannot agree that dan_189 is a/the winner

The total cost was under the cost of a genuine, I didnt trim the CG and the SEL fitment is actually quite good. Cant get much better seeming the case is a Sean but the bracelet is genuine. The only alternative for a genuine parts build is a TC case which wont fit a genuine bracelet.

Ive actually been in Rolex with it and they have looked at it and commented on what good condition its in, that to me is enough to be very satisfied.

- Sean case

- Genuine crown

- Genuine NOS dial

- Genuine NOS hands

- Genuine 3135

- Genuine NOS date wheel

- Genuine 93250 bracelet

- Genuine NOS 93250 clasp

- Genuine bezel

- Genuine NOS bezel insert

- Genuine NOS crystal

Ive never seen/used a gen glidelock clasp but its much better for smaller adjustments than the 93250 clasp.

As for 16610 vs 116610 (ceramic sub) reps, IMO comes down to two things:

- Cost

- Accuracy

You can get both cheap 16610 and 116610 reps, however you can get very expensive and accurate 16610 reps. the same however is not true for the 116610 reps.

Hope this helps!

I recently ran into that problem when my all gen but assembled watch needed a service. I just took it to an independent

Looks great though, good luck!

I dont think the gen bar fits the rep clasps, or it didnt fit on the Sean on TC I tried it on

Very good lugs for a Sean BTW! Did you do any work to it? Genuine bezel or did you use the Sean?

Great setup, I have exactly the same with a genuine 93250 band and bracelet

What bracelet are you going to use?