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Case is fake (engraving is fake)

Case back is fake (engraving is fake)

Dial is fake (redone like you said)

Hands are fake (seconds hand does not taper)

Bezel and insert are both fake. 

Crown looks gen 703

movement looks gen

Would be some work reshaping the lugs and drilling them. Alternative would be to source an ST case with lug holes.

Also if you build a 16800 you need to build it with a matte dial or what's the point?

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Damn that looks gen.
Where did you pick this up at?


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Lovely .. just lovely.  

1.  If you were going to rep a 6538 dial, why would you rep a service dial?  Not to mention it's the least desirable of all the service dial iterations. 

2.  What idiot is going to pay $94,000 for a 6538 with a service dial, service hands, mk3 insert... oh wait some idiot who sold his energy drink company I guess. 

watch in question: http://www.ukwatches.com/shop/?wpsc-product=6159-rolex-submariner-james-bond-ref-6538

Never get tired of the Big Gonzo !!!  Excellent

Would love to see a picture of your little Gonzo.    I love the slimmer profile.

I like Phong case and Tonny's Bezel Assembly.

Great looking build

On 4/8/2016 at 5:16 PM, dbane883 said:

Skinny 4 is more period correct for a '63 build. Also, there is some controversy of the authenticity of skinny 4 inserts. I don't think there is any official Rolex pictures of that insert in any of their literature

Bane, Been away for some time.   What an amazing build, as always.

You never disappoint.  From the bevels to the custom dial.  Perfection.  

I was able to dig up some literature on the skinny 4 inserts from my old picture archive if you want to see them.  

Also interesting is that one of the literature is dated 1968...  don't know if Rolex just used old pictures over and over.. but it's interesting none the less.

ok does that say $55,000 for a 1979 1680?

Are they crazy?

Well there are no MK designations that I know of for Sapphire sub inserts (16800, 168000, 16610 all use the same inserts).  Where are you getting this MK2 stuff from?

The Sapphire inserts are 

1.  different than plastic sub inserts both in font and size. 

2.  much much cheaper than plastic sub Fat Font inserts.  So you can probably pick one up for around $60

1 minute ago, tomhorn said:

Looks like that seller broke up an entire 5513. He's selling off all the parts but the dial.

not really.  68 case back is 2 million serial. 

sucks you're having this problem. 
I have always admired your build.

You can always go gen.   switch out the 1530 for a 1520 and get this case:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-70s-ROLEX-Submariner-5513-case-parts-NICE-/391407581554?hash=item5b21b5b972:g:le4AAOSwZ8ZW6HDo

Kinda boring but Gen is where all nice builds go to die. 

figured it out.
Thanks.

Can delete.

That's not a service dial, it's a MKI dial, position of the L under the coronet gives it away.

Newer Service dials will just have the word SWISS
Older service dials will have T<25 but the position of the L is far left of the coronet. 

Regardless the lume job on the dial and hands are no good.   

Looks great Nanuq.  

7 hours ago, ubiquitous said:

Hey, I've seen that dial before...

 

Stunning.  
What a lovely build.

omg how dare you question Stahl. 

wow that dial looks great.  Love the patina and texture.  
Looks the part.

Thank you everyone for your help.
There seems to be some inconsistencies with how wide the teeth are.

Anyone know why this is the case?  Nanuqs Bezel Vs Freddy's Bezel.. the teeth size is different. 

I found this Gen Bezel for a 5508 6536/1 and it looks like the teeth spacing is like yours Nanuq

The 6538 just seems taller / Deeper to compensate for the taller crystal.

Thanks Alligoat.  I'll send him an email.

Cheers

Anyone know where one might acquire the best aftermarket 6536-1 / 5508 Small Crown Bezel ?

Thanks

8 minutes ago, dbane883 said:

Could be the white balance used to take the photo. The background is off white too.

True Bane I agree with you on that (unless the background is actually off white), but Look at the discoloration "Splotchy" paint work...most noticeable on the chapter ring of the dial.. the transition from white to dark 9:00 to 10:00

The biggest Problem I have is that because the indices are further separated from the Chapter Ring, this causes everything to be pushed closer to the center of the dial.  Which means the base of the 24 hour hand might come pretty close to covering the text Oyster - Perpetual. 

Yes I did ask and I did receive.. not quite sure I'm happy with the white paint...

looks unevenly applied and off white... like he rushed painting over a black dial and didn't get the coat of paint applied evenly.

Yes the indices look too separated from the markers as well.  Hopefully he will be willing to fix these errors for the next run. 

I personally think that the Bakelite inserts have gotten much better. 

13 minutes ago, automatico said:

Suspicion seems to be raising its ugly head...

"Service papers only mention bezel insert replacement. Could a 46 year old bezel be in such good condition? Hmmmm."

"The mid case is fake.
Engravings are completely wrong. Long E, Incorrect Stainless Steel, Incorrect size."

 

Yes I posted that and the picture of the real engraving.

Hopefully he can get a refund

The Link is to a Red 1680 with a fake Mid case. 

Look at the engravings.