gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hi all, Just wound up my Sinn U1 with Asian movement and was watching the second hand move. The second hand kinds of stutters (jumps) from 5 to 25 and after it sweeps normally.. The stuttering is a little hard to describe, it kinds of jumps second by second while the usual sweep does so in 1/2 second steps. Is this something normal for the asian A2813, can someone with a U1 confirm this is normal? I have compared with my other rep watches and it keeps a whole minute well, just a bit uncomfortable with the needle stuttering. Thanks! G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 its a sinn...sounds as if the teeth on one side of a gear are all [censored] up...but need to open it up to be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Thanks Gran, Guys, pls refer to this youtube video and let me know if its like what you described. Thanks. Or search sinful minute in youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Well a full service will find and solve the problem, i would agree with grna that you have either worn or missing teeth on one or more gears in the going train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Well a full service will find and solve the problem, i would agree with grna that you have either worn or missing teeth on one or more gears in the going train Thanks Fxrandy, i just received it from my dealer. Supposedly the movement he gave me was brand new, what could be a cause of this? a faulty gear wheel in the movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fijikid Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Unfortunately, that's normal for a 2813 - well normal for a poorly put together 2813. Indirect drive seconds hand means there is a 'brake' on the seconds hand. This causes the hand to stop and catch up sometimes, mostly due to gravity. If you turned the watch upside down it'd probably do it from 35 to 60. Not much you can do about it. Trust me, I've tried. Though I did learn quite a bit about the 2813 while trying to "fix" it! While good timekeepers and rugged, the 2813 sucks for sweep appearance. Hi all, Just wound up my Sinn U1 with Asian movement and was watching the second hand move. The second hand kinds of stutters (jumps) from 5 to 25 and after it sweeps normally.. The stuttering is a little hard to describe, it kinds of jumps second by second while the usual sweep does so in 1/2 second steps. Is this something normal for the asian A2813, can someone with a U1 confirm this is normal? I have compared with my other rep watches and it keeps a whole minute well, just a bit uncomfortable with the needle stuttering. Thanks! G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 It's a brand new rep, I think he should send It back. What do others think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Unfortunately, that's normal for a 2813 - well normal for a poorly put together 2813. Indirect drive seconds hand means there is a 'brake' on the seconds hand. This causes the hand to stop and catch up sometimes, mostly due to gravity. If you turned the watch upside down it'd probably do it from 35 to 60. Not much you can do about it. Trust me, I've tried. Though I did learn quite a bit about the 2813 while trying to "fix" it! While good timekeepers and rugged, the 2813 sucks for sweep appearance. After 2 or 3 minutes of looking at my watch upside down and getting a sore neck, i have to say i think the movement becomes smoother, either that its my eyes playing tricks... My wife just shook her head in a tsk tsk fashion and told me to get a gen! Snore.... Any simple solutions or is opening the watch to check the movement and gears the best solution now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 In that case send it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 In that case send it back Sigh... dun think my dealer is going to be too impressed with me, i just finished packing and wrapping the other one to be sent back and now i gotta get a bigger box to fit both... Think i'll ask for the swiss ETA since this asian one has such dormant problems as someone mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Gerald are you winding the watch by the crown or are you shaking the watch to wind It? I dont think this will make any difference atm but It could have a long term effect. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Gerald are you winding the watch by the crown or are you shaking the watch to wind It? I dont think this will make any difference atm but It could have a long term effect. Mike First out of box winding, about 15-20 times clockwise as advised on the dealer's website. Then subsequently it just runs on my wrist. I dun shake the watch, is there something wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Sigh... dun think my dealer is going to be too impressed with me, i just finished packing and wrapping the other one to be sent back and now i gotta get a bigger box to fit both... Think i'll ask for the swiss ETA since this asian one has such dormant problems as someone mentioned. Well Gerald you have finally had some good luck, you did not send the Skyland back yet. Now the only thing you have to do Is send both back together. Again Im sorry about your bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Well Gerald you have finally had some good luck, you did not send the Skyland back yet. Now the only thing you have to do Is send both back together. Again Im sorry about your bad luck. Haha... yes you are right Max! That's a good way to look at it, saves me a trip to PO and postage fees... Now i only hope my dealer accepts responsibility and lets me send both back... I've got such an impressive hit rate i should start buying 2nd hand reps off trusted members ... at least i'll be sure those work! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 First out of box winding, about 15-20 times clockwise as advised on the dealer's website. Then subsequently it just runs on my wrist. I dun shake the watch, is there something wrong? It's best to gently shake are reps to wind them, Inferior parts and all. But this has nothing to do with your problems. A few winds of the crown here and there should not be a problem, just dont make a habit of It. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I think that shake is the wrong word, rock or rotate in order for the rotor to turn and start winding the watch would be better, however whith the movement of your seconds hand the way you wound it would make no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted April 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I think that shake is the wrong word, rock or rotate in order for the rotor to turn and start winding the watch would be better, however whith the movement of your seconds hand the way you wound it would make no difference Thanks FxrAndy, i read on i think Toad's newbie guide never to shake but to rotate it to simulate the natural rotor motion. Well before i send back this watch, anyone for a beautiful U1 that still keeps time but has character? J/k.. Oh whitesox, if you're reading this, the strap has arrived today and it is beautiful like described. But now i have no watch to wear with it .. sigh. Gonna find me 1 of those 4 leaf clovers off ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I think that shake is the wrong word, rock or rotate in order for the rotor to turn and start winding the watch would be better, however whith the movement of your seconds hand the way you wound it would make no difference I agree, to rotate/rock would be best. I like the Brandy Snifter method Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 I agree, to rotate/rock would be best. I like the Brandy Snifter method A good way of explaining it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 A good way of explaining it!!! Thanks Andy, I read resently that It's always better to rock or rotate the watch as oppose to tapping/shaking the watch. It has something to do with the watch being completly unwound, perfectly In beat? The roller jewel, palet fork and escape wheel should be on a perfect line of center. The balence wheel recieves It's Impulse from the palet fork. When you wind the watch up, a slight motion Is needed to move the balance wheel any direction to recieve the Impulse from the palet fork. It Is suggested that one rotate the timepiece back and forth Instead of tapping or shaking. I read most of this In Watchtime Magazine. I thought some members would like to know why we rotate/ swril/ rock are reps or gens for that matter. Mike (ps) Im sure you already new this Andy but I sure didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 The roller jewel, palet fork and escape wheel should be on a perfect line of center. The balance wheel receives It's Impulse from the palet fork. When you wind the watch up, a slight motion Is needed to move the balance wheel any direction to receive the Impulse from the palet fork. If the watch is perfectly in beat then just winding the watch should provide enough impulse for the watch to start on its own but some times the balance needs a little rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 If the watch is perfectly in beat then just winding the watch should provide enough impulse for the watch to start on its own but some times the balance needs a little rock Thanks Andy, good stuff to know about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakemaster Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 It's a brand new rep, I think he should send It back. What do others think? No. After 2 or 3 minutes of looking at my watch upside down and getting a sore neck, i have to say i think the movement becomes smoother, either that its my eyes playing tricks... My wife just shook her head in a tsk tsk fashion and told me to get a gen! lol i like her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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