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[Broker1981]

Hi!

I have a friend who is looking to buy a Rolex Submariner TT Black & Gold.

I have found this one at Joshua's place:

http://www.1-pc8838.com/rlgt00088-anni-black-asia-3186-serials-p-8039.html

I am wondering if you have any comments on it.

I do have a few questions:

1. What does clone movement mean?

2. What does the fourth (green) hand indicate?

3. What boxset goes best with this model?

Thank you!

With Regards,

Broker

[alligoat]

well, this is not a Submariner, it's a GMTIIC- GMT's have the 24 hour hand for telling time in a second timezone.

So you need to keep looking!

Clone movements are chinese copies of the swiss eta. In this case it's made to look like a Rolex 3135 movement with a modified bridge, but it's really like who cares. If you're going to get a clone movement, just stick with a plain one and save yourself some money. Decorating the movement to look like a Rolex movement is a waste of money and the movements aren't that reliable.

Can't help you on boxsets, I never fool with them.

Welcome aboard and keep reading and try the search feature- every so often it works if you speak nicely to it!

[Broker1981]

well, this is not a Submariner, it's a GMTIIC- GMT's have the 24 hour hand for telling time in a second timezone.

So you need to keep looking!

Clone movements are chinese copies of the swiss eta. In this case it's made to look like a Rolex 3135 movement with a modified bridge, but it's really like who cares. If you're going to get a clone movement, just stick with a plain one and save yourself some money. Decorating the movement to look like a Rolex movement is a waste of money and the movements aren't that reliable.

Can't help you on boxsets, I never fool with them.

Welcome aboard and keep reading and try the search feature- every so often it works if you speak nicely to it!

Ok, so my face is now officially full of eggs...

The correct link is this one: http://www.1-pc8838.com/rlst00088-2009-submariner-asia-3135-serial-p-8040.html

The good thing is that i'm a master chef, so i can always use the eggs to make an omelet...

Thanks for the info

Edited August 27, 2010 by Broker1981

[alligoat]

Same movement- stay away from it

End links- SEL's on the bracelet next to the watch case show that the gold plating doesn't extend down the sides of the center link- this is a dead giveaway that it's plated gold- not solid gold like on a real Rolex. Looks like all of josh's TT's have this flaw.

Might try Andrew- Trustytime, or one of the other dealers.

[Broker1981]

Same movement- stay away from it

End links- SEL's on the bracelet next to the watch case show that the gold plating doesn't extend down the sides of the center link- this is a dead giveaway that it's plated gold- not solid gold like on a real Rolex. Looks like all of josh's TT's have this flaw.

Might try Andrew- Trustytime, or one of the other dealers.

Ok, this was interesting!

Andrew has the same flaw. The one i have found without this flaw is Mary.

Check out this link: http://www.watch-international.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_29&products_id=725

And her version is USD 260 cheaper!

Does any of you know if this is an ok replica? I am worried about the movement though. Automatic, doesnt that translate to battery driven? That's a truly dead giveaway...

[alligoat]

I couldn't tell from the pics if this model has the gold plating on the sides of the SEL center links or not.

The movement is the asian 2813 automatic, hence the low price. It's not a quartz (i.e. battery). But asian 21j movements are hit or miss- if you get a good one, great, but if it putzes out on you- well you got what you paid for. Swapping in another movement would run you maybe $75 at a decent watchmakers. But for $88 you haven't lost a great deal of money.

TT noobmariners are supposed to have good SEL's w/ correct gold plating on the sides of the center links. I don't know if BK still sells them- he's reputable and in the CONUS if that helps you. Andrew and Paul also carry noobs, but maybe not in the TT variety.

[Jkay]

An automatic watch is not battery powered. It's is self-winding mechanical.

Automatic, then hand-wind, then Quartz (battery) OK?