LeSentier Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hi out there, a friend of mine offered me his PAM111 H watchhead for € 180. Since I´m familiar with Rollies & IWC, I can´t really decide if to purchase this one, or should go for the new cartel 111J ? I like the look of the watch, but don´t know nothing about the accuracy. from what I can see from the (crappy) pics, there is the swan neck missing. which one is the better choice, and why? can you please chime in? Thank you, J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I'd go for the 111j. This one is not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSentier Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Thanks mate, I thought this, too. Can you tell me what is wrong/inaccurate besides the missing swan neck regulator? To me it seems that the crown guard is also a little off. Best, J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hawkes Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Dial: Swiss Made is much too high and close to the 6, font and colour is off, dial probably too shiny, looks like normal and not high CP. Movement: missing swan neck, OP letters are stickers that will fall off and get stuck in the movement, wheels dont have sunburst, etc.. (the movement is always a tell but you can at least try to stay away from stickers that might cause technical problems..) Crown, crownguard: can't say too much about the CG but it won't have the rubbergasket on the lever and there are better crowns I think. Caseback: famous H0035 serial.. For 180 Euros I would definitely get the 111J instead. It wont be perfect but it will be a lot better and not have those "problems", imho. Or maybe the 005 from the H-factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Thanks mate, I thought this, too. Can you tell me what is wrong/inaccurate besides the missing swan neck regulator? To me it seems that the crown guard is also a little off. Best, J nearly everything is off im selling my 111J with a few mods for only €200 PM me if interested ... cheers, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I thought you said he was a friend !!! Go and buy a 005 or 318 mate... Dont get the 111J IMHO they really need to sort out the inscription colour and the case isnt as good in shape for contemporary nor is the crystal compared to the HB factory or the lume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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