Draven451 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays. I recently received a pam 351M and noticed what could be potential issues. I thought I would ask in the forums to see if anyone else has experienced these issues before. So I have only had the pam 351m for a few days. The first day I wore the watch I wound the watch for about 20-30 gentle back and forth turns and went out for the day. Then after several hours of not looking at it when I looked again it was an hour behind but the seconds hand was still moving. So I adjusted the time again so it was correct and I didn't have further issues. That nite before I went to bed I made sure the watch had accurate time. In the morning when I am checking it the watch is 2.5 hours behind! The seconds hand is still moving! So I adjust the time so it is accurate and decide to wear it through the day. I noticed that it seems to be running fast. Other then maybe running fast I don't have any issues with the time. So last nite before I go to bed I verify the time is correct and everything looks good. This morning I wake up around 7:30 am to run some errands take a quick peek at the watch in the box and it is on time! Phew! Maybe it was a fluke. So I return back home around 8:30 am and the watch is still keeping good time! I didn't get much rest so I decide to take a nap. I wake back up around 12:30 pm. I go check the watch and the time is slightly before 9 and the seconds hands is still moving! I have left the watch untouched in the watch box and it is now 4:51pm and the watch is still at the same time right before 9 and the seconds hand is still moving but the hour and minute hand have not moved! Has anyone else experienced this? Is this an issue for concern because I'm feeling unsure of this watch now? What could cause this kind of problem? I would hate to have to send this watch back to china but don't want these subtle (or not subtle) signs to be an indication of a much more serious issue. Should I contact the dealer? Man I am really bummed out about this pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seafoam Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 Does this have the high beat or slow beat movement? I've had similar issues with a slow beat 7750. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 I believe it is the high beat version. It is the latest version out but someone with more knowledge than I may chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 if these are 7750 varients the problems lays with the clutch that allows the hands to be set and yet still be driven by the movement, just like the clutch in your car if it is slipping the rev counter will show revs (second hand still moving as it does not go thought the clutch) but the wheels wont turn or turn slowere than the revcounter is showing, Only solution is a service or new movement, if this is new get in touch with the seller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 FxrAndy, That makes sense. Yes it is brand new from a TD. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. Thanks for your help. Sent from my iPhone 4s using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 As Andy says.... Send it back! MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Send it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 How did this watch pass QC? I mean this watch is staying behing in the order of hours per day and it ran smoothly to the second when they checked it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 So just to update this thread. I contacted the TD who advised to wind the watch 50 turns and let it sit and it should go approximately 40 hours. The watch actually ran 46 hours and 15 minutes before stopping. I checked on it through the test and near the end it was running about 20 minutes behind. So while that is good news unfortunately my pam saga doesn't end on such a happy note yet. Before discovering the issue with movement I noticed there were marks on the rotor that you can see thru the caseback. The marks are very angle dependent and not noticed on the qc pics. So I contacted the dealer initially about the rotor issue which is being handled. BUT... Today since the watch seemed to run well during the test I decided to put on a new strap and wear it today. Under the florescent lighting in my office I noticed two new issues thru the caseback I have been so hung up with the first two issues I have not really inspected the watch very well! So on a part of the movement in the back where there is metal jeweling if you hold the watch just right the light reflects and you see a bunch of scratch marks Also there is what appears to be a thin wire of metal that looks like it has peeled off of one of the edges of the metal and looks like it is touching one of the gears (maybe the crown gear)! I sent a pm to the dealer. I think I may have to send this one back for a refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Could you maybe take some pictures of the movement with scratches and the wire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapsMoney Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Hrm has me re-assesing my original idea to buy a 351 & 111.... Anyone else have similar issues with a 351? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Could you maybe take some pictures of the movement with scratches and the wire? Is this typical of the type of quality we can expect from an asian 7750? Is this acceptable quality? On this image it looks like part of the metal plate of the movement along the edge has peeled off and is now touching the crown gear. I have not seen any other movements like this. This may damage the gear and if I wind the watch and turn it over I can slightly see that small wire move. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffw69 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Mine looks that way as well. As you know, I got mine yesterday and it is not working. Only the seconds hand moves, the time doesn't change. I am most probably going to send it back for replacement- which sucks because I will be out of a watch for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Mine looks that way as well. As you know, I got mine yesterday and it is not working. Only the seconds hand moves, the time doesn't change. I am most probably going to send it back for replacement- which sucks because I will be out of a watch for some time. Jeffw69, I have seen you over at RG if you use the same screen name. Better Avatar over there You posted in my thread on rg. Does your pam 351m also have scratches on the metal plate and also the wire touching the crown rotor? I can't imagine they would be made that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffw69 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Yup, that's me. Should I change my avatar here too? My movement has scratches, but no wire touching crown rotor. I hope that Angus gets me squared away quickly, he said he will replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapsMoney Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 ah good thing I saw this t hread, i was going to pikc up a 351 but after seeing these problems I might hold off.. Let me know how it turns up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draven451 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Here are some macro shots of the peeling metal plate: Scratches on the movement: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapsMoney Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 wow thats rough ! Are they going to replace and pay shipping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 The bit of wire I think you are talking about is actually the click spring for the main spring barrel Not that it makes any difference to the scratched non working movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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