horn34 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I've fallen in love with Tudors, but I don't have the scratch to build a $1500 beauty right now. I bought this rep from PureTime (Vintage Tudor Submariner 7928 Yellow Lume Dial A21J) http://puretime.co/p...lume-dial-a21j/ I'm not in love with the face and I'm wondering if it's possible to replace anything, like the face/hands/bezel with spares? I'm looking for parts at http://www.yukiwatch...tudor_dial.html and ebay, but I'm not sure it's even feasible. Help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 Great watch. Pm if you need parts/ hrlp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Great watch. Pm if you need parts/ hrlp Ephry, You know this watch? Gen bezel construction? 26mm dials fit? Like josh 5513 but better CG's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I think this is the one that we commented on months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjeffers58 Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Nope, the bezel is held on with a Teflon gasket, bought one last month with the same intention of modding. Not a very good base for a good Tudor. Get Josh's 5513 and source parts, that's what I'm doing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) Nope, the bezel is held on with a Teflon gasket, bought one last month with the same intention of modding. Not a very good base for a good Tudor. Get Josh's 5513 and source parts, that's what I'm doing now. You got a link for that 5513? I've been getting different suggestions for the best place to pick one up. Edited May 3, 2012 by horn34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 if youre going to buy this i dont really see a point in spening $ to dress it up, if you dont like the dial maybe change it, try raffles time he has cheap flake dials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 You got a link for that 5513? I've been getting different suggestions for the best place to pick one up. And should I care about the movement or just get the cheapest 5513 available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjeffers58 Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 I picked one up from josh, out of the box it's a nice starter. Reshaped the case, trimmed crown guards and drilled lugs, rebuffed the case to give it that older over polished look. Next pick up a eta 2824 and a dial and finish it up. Check perfect clones or trustytime, fast service and easy payment. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Again, should I care about the movement or just get the cheapest 5513 available? Josh and several other dealers have different versions of the 5513 with different movements, ranging from $118 to $298. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Again, should I care about the movement or just get the cheapest 5513 available? Josh and several other dealers have different versions of the 5513 with different movements, ranging from $118 to $298. just get the cheap asian movement at least the beat rate is more correct. in the future you can upgrade to a slow beat eta if you want for probably $80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 just get the cheap asian movement at least the beat rate is more correct. in the future you can upgrade to a slow beat eta if you want for probably $80 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 if youre going to buy this i dont really see a point in spening $ to dress it up, if you dont like the dial maybe change it, try raffles time he has cheap flake dials I canceled the order for that tudor rep and took a beating for my efforts on the RG dealer forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I picked one up from josh, out of the box it's a nice starter. Reshaped the case, trimmed crown guards and drilled lugs, rebuffed the case to give it that older over polished look. Next pick up a eta 2824 and a dial and finish it up. Check perfect clones or trustytime, fast service and easy payment. Good luck Any recs for the movement? I have all the pieces now, but the 5513 obviously doesn't have a date wheel, so I can't use the this movement. I know you said "pick up a eta 2824" but I need some specifics, like where and model number. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjeffers58 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Check ofrei's, you can go eta or pick up a seagull st 2130. Cheaper with the same specs as a 2824 and the stem should line up with the crown tube if you bought the cheaper dg 2813 model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapman57 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Again, should I care about the movement or just get the cheapest 5513 available? Josh and several other dealers have different versions of the 5513 with different movements, ranging from $118 to $298. depends on what model Tudor you plan to put together. If it is a later snowflake based on a 9411/0 or 94110 in a 5513 case you are best getting a higher beat eta clone to replicate the 28k beat rate eta 2784 that is in the Gen. if you is building an earlier 7928 then a 21k beat DG2813 will be nearer to the beat rate but still a little fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datlore001 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 As far as I know, Tudor used both the 2783 (21.6k) and 2784 (28.8k) in the 9401s and 9411s. Thus, either movement should be correct. Ofrei sells new 2783s for $96. Alternatively, you could use a 2846 (generally around $100 new on Ebay) for a 21.6k beat rate, or a 2836 for 28.8k. I would not use the 2824 in the Josh case, as it is my understanding that the 2824's stem height could cause problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 As far as I know, Tudor used both the 2783 (21.6k) and 2784 (28.8k) in the 9401s and 9411s. Thus, either movement should be correct. Ofrei sells new 2783s for $96. Alternatively, you could use a 2846 (generally around $100 new on Ebay) for a 21.6k beat rate, or a 2836 for 28.8k. I would not use the 2824 in the Josh case, as it is my understanding that the 2824's stem height could cause problems. I'm building a 9411, so it sounds like the 2783 is the way to go. Can someone link me to Ofrei's site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ok, found Ofrei. I'm just gonna grab the first one, I don't see the value in the Bucherer signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapman57 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 As far as I know, Tudor used both the 2783 (21.6k) and 2784 (28.8k) in the 9401s and 9411s. Thus, either movement should be correct. Ofrei sells new 2783s for $96. Alternatively, you could use a 2846 (generally around $100 new on Ebay) for a 21.6k beat rate, or a 2836 for 28.8k. I would not use the 2824 in the Josh case, as it is my understanding that the 2824's stem height could cause problems. The 2783 was available up to 1976 and used by Tudor in some early 94xx series and is quite rare - compared to the 2784. It's still probably cheaper to utilise a clone A2836 from the josh 5513, as this beats at the same rate as the 2784, which is the main engine for the 9411/0 and later 941110 series. This way you know it fits the case and stem without any risk? Just trying to save you money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datlore001 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nothing wrong with the A2836 route, just make sure your dial has the right feet. Dials with 2784 dial feet (around 11/41) will not fit dials with 28xx feet (around 12/42). All three of my 94x1 dials are made for the 278x movements. Right now I'm building one with a 2770 no-date movement and one with a 2783. As Tudor did use the 2783 in some 9411s, it works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 It's still probably cheaper to utilise a clone A2836 from the josh 5513, as this beats at the same rate as the 2784, which is the main engine for the 9411/0 and later 941110 series. This way you know it fits the case and stem without any risk? Just trying to save you money! The one from Ofrei is $160. Do you know someplace to get one for under $100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datlore001 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) The one from Ofrei is $160. Do you know someplace to get one for under $100? It's only cheaper if you buy the Josh 5513 with it already installed. Otherwise, I don't know where you could buy an Asian 2836, and the Swiss 2836 is definitely more expensive. Edited to add: does your Tudor dial have feet for the 278x movements or the 28xx movements? This is important to know. If 278x, your best choice is the 2783 from Ofrei; if 28xx, your cheapest solution without buying a new Swiss 2836 would be the 2846 (21.6k, so low beat) which can routinely be found for around $100 on Ebay. Edited May 21, 2012 by Datlore001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapman57 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nothing wrong with the A2836 route, just make sure your dial has the right feet. Dials with 2784 dial feet (around 11/41) will not fit dials with 28xx feet (around 12/42). All three of my 94x1 dials are made for the 278x movements. Right now I'm building one with a 2770 no-date movement and one with a 2783. As Tudor did use the 2783 in some 9411s, it works for me! Thanks, that is an excellent point you have raised! OP - You can pick up a 2836 from Helenarou?, but I meant for you to buy the complete Josh 5513 with eta 2836 clone in it - then swap dial and hands only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn34 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 It's only cheaper if you buy the Josh 5513 with it already installed. Otherwise, I don't know where you could buy an Asian 2836, and the Swiss 2836 is definitely more expensive. Edited to add: does your Tudor dial have feet for the 278x movements or the 28xx movements? This is important to know. If 278x, your best choice is the 2783 from Ofrei; if 28xx, your cheapest solution without buying a new Swiss 2836 would be the 2846 (21.6k, so low beat) which can routinely be found for around $100 on Ebay. How can you tell which feet the dial has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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