Guest yonatan.ezo Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Good morning, i am new on this website i just build a rolex 6362 with phong case, original dial, original 78350 bracelet, i bought a movement from NTD with all the correct marks i took it to a good watchmaker to put all parts together, charge me 100 $ i received it 2 days ago, with the pushers not working properly, he said that the movement is not in good condition i paid for it 2200 dollars do you know someone here that can help me with that, i dont know what wrong with movement, and i really want someone to fix it, as i already more that 6000$ in... please help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hello, I have a very simillar 6265 from phong but I got the movement from him not ndt. His v727 was 3500$ so there is obviously something wrong if you paid 2200$ where are you located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 This is phongs work does yours look like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 A valjoux 72 or 727 movement is very complex. It will need a very good watchmaker to work on it. Also the movement has not been made for quite a while. I wonder when your movement was last serviced. Servicing is not cheap and will probably run you $275+ dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersdom Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Service with clean should resolve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yonatan.ezo Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 i bought it for 3000 dollars from NDT, all the correct engraving... i will try for service it... hope it will work really sad as i spend so much thank you for your help do u know someone i can send my watch to to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE32500 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 why do you pay 3500 $ for a movement ? a working watch with Valjoux 72 costs 1000 $ Happy to see that you have money to lose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 A v72 costs 1000-1200$ yes but the extra dough is to convert it into a v727 just like Rolex did back in the day. Most people don't opt for spending the extra and are happy with a v72 I and obviously this guy were not. To each there own. I don't have any money to lose just to play with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 While the movement looks quite similar, there still remain some differences, though. Also the correct base caliber is a V726, not V72, the beat rate is different. Nevertheless it really does look convincing, enjoy your watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Oh ok didn't know that, I read somewhere that Rolex took v72's and added components that upped the beat rate. I never heard of them using a 726 as a base but of course you could be right, either way it made the already tough movement tougher, and with regular service will last me my entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janeto72 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 While the movement looks quite similar, there still remain some differences, though. Also the correct base caliber is a V726, not V72, the beat rate is different. Nevertheless it really does look convincing, enjoy your watch. the base Rolex movement is and has always been the valjoux 72, from this movement Rolex Daytona came with V72, V72B, V722 and V727. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 My understanding is that the V726 is a slightly improved V72 with higher beat rate of 21600 vs 18000. V722 is the rolex version of a V72 with Breguet overcoil and Microstella adjustment on the balance added. It was used in the non screw down versions if I remember correctly, earlier versions had a V72B. I believe 6240s were also equipped with V722s, I don't know if some of them used V727s as well (or 72B even in very early versions). V727 is simply a V726 with the same improvements as caliber V722 and has been used in the Oyster versions with screw-down pushers as well as in the later pump pusher models (around 1970 onwards - pump pushers were phased out pretty early in the 70s I think). As the beat rate on the Rolex Versions V722 and V727 differs the same as V72 vs. V726 I think it is right to assume that in fact these are the individual base calibers for V722 and V726 accordingly. I have yet to a see a V72 or V726 converted to V722 or V727 respectively with Microstella adjustment, so while the engravings look good for me that's a tell. Generally I would advice to stick to V72s for pump pusher models, as calibers with this beat rate were most commonly used in these models, and V726s for screw-down Oyster models because almost all of them had V727s installed. Also building a correct 6240 would involve modifiying an aftermarket case quite a bit as the dimensions are slightly different (6240 being smaller), but that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersdom Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I bought one off Phong and had problems at first. He was great and just fixed it whenever it went wrong. Can't NDT do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Phongs v72 to v727 conversion does use the Microstella adjustment and breguet coil. It's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laser3000 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Phong converted my "727" bought from him to original 21.600 BpH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yonatan.ezo Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 thats my movement.... http://ndtradingcorp.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yonatan, I'm 90% sure everything is ok but like Freddy told me you have to get the movement serviced right away. It will cost you approximately 300$. The movements seem to come dry and probably dirty. Any respectable watchsmith who has experience with older movements can disassemble your v727 clean it, oil it and put it back together. Don't bring it to a Rolex associated shop. The parts are all there it shouldn't be a problem and even if there are small problems inside a competent watchsmith can always bang out a new part, literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yonatan.ezo Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 thank you for your help, can you give me an adress or person i can contact for service it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Send a message to fab1973 he has one he can recommend in France... Other members might know f one as well but he's the only one I know of at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yonatan.ezo Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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