archierocks Posted September 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 lol its going to be my only build unless theres a better case and bezel set up for a 6542 anytime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 This isn't really true. Take a look at one sometime. It's a 2813 with an additional wheel on top just like a 2893 or GMT modded 2836 is. The biggest difference is that due to the way the calendar plate on the 2813 is designed, the new GMT wheel fits underneath it. On the modded 2836 the GMT wheel is held down by the dial and a bent washer. (That sounds janky, but on the other hand the hour wheel of a factory ETA 2824 is held down the same way). I don't think so. Our Asian friends make a GMT modified DG2813, I think that all the movement manufacturers, ETA, Rolex, DG, use their base movement to design their GMT on. As you point out, none of the 3 just add a pinion and a couple of gears to the movement as the rep ones do. So saying it being designed as a GMT from the start should be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneed12 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Here's a pic of a 3804 as compared to a 2813 They are the exact same movement. All parts will interchange, with the exception of the additional parts to operate the GMT wheel: the GMT wheel itself, the extra gears that allow it to be adjusted from the stem, and the wheel which drives the GMT gear. Same deal with a 2893-2. Here's a pic compared to a 2892 Again, the only differences are in those few parts. A GMT movement from the ETA factory is just a regular movement with a few additional parts added. The GMT modded 2836 from the Chinese factories works exactly the same way. The only difference is, the additional parts were designed and built by a Chinese factory instead of a Swiss one. Is the Swiss one better? Probably. Can the Chinese one work just as well? Yes. Is it stupid to say that the "DG3804 is a true GMT designed movement" while the "Asian modded 2836 with GMT is a piece of junk"? Yes, it's completely stupid. The movements work in exactly the same way. The differences come down to details of construction. The concept is exactly 100% identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Is it stupid to say that the "DG3804 is a true GMT designed movement" while the "Asian modded 2836 with GMT is a piece of junk"? Yes, it's completely stupid. The movements work in exactly the same way. The differences come down to details of construction. The concept is exactly 100% identical. Actually, it is STUPID to misquote me. And it is QUITE STUPID to call anything "stupid" when it's you who did not comprehend what was said. We will disagree, and I will stand by what I did say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneed12 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Actually, it is STUPID to misquote me. And it is QUITE STUPID to call anything "stupid" when it's you who did not comprehend what was said. Take another look at my post above. I DID NOT QUOTE YOU AT ALL. So calm down there, champ. I wasn't talking to you. This forum is full of statements from people saying that the GMT modded clone ETAs are junk and the DG3804 is a true GMT-designed movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Is it stupid to say that the "DG3804 is a true GMT designed movement" while the "Asian modded 2836 with GMT is a piece of junk"? Yes, it's completely stupid. The movements work in exactly the same way. The differences come down to details of construction. The concept is exactly 100% identical. Those look like quotation marks to me. And the conversation was going on between us. It is my opinion that the ETA and Asian movements that are modified to be GMT by our Asian rep factories are not as accurate or reliable as the movements that are designed to be GMT from the movement manufacturer. The modified movements work well enough for our purposes, but that isn't the issue. I haven't read anyone say that the rep factory modified GMT movements are "junk", but then I haven't read every word here. I have read that the GMT 4th hand does not track perfectly, needing an adjustment every now and then, and I know that is true on the ETA/Asian modified GMT movements I own, including the serviced Swiss ETA 2846 movements I've converted myself. I have found through my own experience that the DG3804B movements that I have purchased new from reliable suppliers such as Frei and Borel are more accurate and reliable than the modified ETA/Asian movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Im also one of thouse that hade very very good experianse with the gmt DG movement, its a workhorse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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