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Servicing a 6497


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I've just stripped, cleaned and rebuilt an old 6497 that wasn't running properly. After rebuilding it winds fine and I cans ET the hours etc. it won't run though. The balance wheel and pallet fork doesn't move. Have I over tightened something or maybe put something in wrong? Any ideas? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

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Something is wrong with either your gear train or pallet fork / balance. Check by removing the balance and pallet fork. If your escape wheel won't turn if you wind, you know it's the gear train. If it does the problem lies with your pallet fork or balance wheel.

Let us know.

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So i've put it all back together, again.  But, it seems like the escape wheel isn't catching the pallet fork.  I'm not sure if I have it the right way up.  If I have the shorter protrusion on the bottom it sits too low, or at least it looks that way??  It's the only part of the ETA manual that doesn't have clear orientation

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Arghhhh, after about 5 attempts I've realised what the problem is.  I think.

 

The pallet bridge has lost its jewel, it's just a straight hole.  So, that must have come out at some point, so the pallet fork isn't sitting right and therefore not doing anything.


So, without a jewel????  I've clearly knocked it out somehow and I can't see it anywhere.  Can I get another?

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Great monologue.... Glad to see you figured it out ;)

The jewel probably came out because you mounted the pallet fork bridge the wrong way like wOlf indicated. This caused the pallet fork pinion to push out the jewel. Be sure to get it on the right way next time by looking at the screw head slots (was also mentioned by wOlf)

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Check the end shake of the balance. That is the vertical play between the balance jewels. You can only do it if the balance is at rest. If there is too little end shake it causes too much friction. Ergo slow en short balance swings. IMO this topic should be over at 'movement Q&A'...

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What causes low amplitude? The mainspring? Worn out/damaged?

That's why I serviced it. It's an old watch (my first ever rep) and I wasn't too worried about the outcome.

Should I buy a new mainspring?

Could be all the things you mentioned and a 100 extra.....

Regulator studs touching the hair spring, coils out of sinc, broken balance staff, broken jewels, damaged barrel wall etc etc. Unfortunately....

Just bring it to a local repair guy. Otherwise you will spend all your money on parts you may even not need.

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How do you even access the mainspring in the barrel? Thanks rolexman but I don't feel like I've learnt if I do that. I rather spend £50 and find out I can't fix it and have learnt something than just hand it over and be none the wiser. If I can't repair it then ill probably not both doing anything more. The mainspring is £12 in the UK but I assume that's not the full barrel assembly.

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How do you even access the mainspring in the barrel?

Thanks rolexman but I don't feel like I've learnt if I do that. I rather spend £50 and find out I can't fix it and have learnt something than just hand it over and be none the wiser. If I can't repair it then ill probably not both doing anything more.

The mainspring is £12 in the UK but I assume that's not the full barrel assembly.

Noted. The steps I would do. You need a good 10x loup though.

1. Check the end shake (ok?)

2. Check if the hair spring touch-and-releases the rate regulating stud (ok?)

3. Check if balance staff pivots are (ok?)

4. Turn balance and determine if all coils are spaced equally (ok?)

5. Check the jewels of the gear train for cracks (ok?)

6. Diassamble the barrel and look at the barrel wall and clean oil main spring.

This last step can even be dangerous if you never done this before as the main spring is packed in the barrel with a lot of force.....

Edit:

In between step 2 and 3 I would recheck the pallet fork if it moves freely. Wind the watch and gently tap the fork. It should move on it's own 1 teeth of the escape wheel and than lock.

Good luck!

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