live1 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 ok lets hope its aligned this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Here is Tony's reply: I just try it again , if the factory do not change ,I will make the refund to you , because we have change one , normally the factory will not change again regards tony I told him that I don't want refund. I want the watch, so hope the factory will accept if they don't I want him to send me this new watch with incorrect insert graduation alignment. So what I will do is probably order a BP Bezel insert from Andrew (trusty time) they look pretty good with thicker and deep marking. I hope it will be easy to install without removing all the bezel construction. It really pisses me off because I don't want a cheap rep. It costs me 175$ and If I wanted a cheap submariner ceramic with bezel insert incorrect there's a lot for 80$. But in another hand, the BP has some good points, the bezel construction is gen like and the new dial is pretty good with correct Officially Certified space. Here is picture that I forgot to post from the second QC pics: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 look nice apart from the insert .andrews inserts are from the bp sub he sells them separately and so does ryan ive bought 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 easy to install pull off the pearl then put a pin in the hole where the pearl was and pull up .it will lift off.clean the bezel wuth nail polish remover.and then glue the new insert with gs hypo cement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 easy to install pull off the pearl then put a pin in the hole where the pearl was and pull up .it will lift off.clean the bezel wuth nail polish remover.and then glue the new insert with gs hypo cement Thank you very much for the advice ! Hope I will get from them an insert correctly aligned which will match the dial markers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 im a noob and swaped insert in my sleep so u will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Lol I hope so. I also hope that Tony understood what I told him about refund.. I hope that if the factory will not accept another changing he will send me the watch as I told him. Sometime I feel like talkin to a wall with him .. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I would like also to change the movement. This watch comes with a DG2813 21j 21600 bph : Do you think that i can change the movement and instal the dial and the hands on a DG4813 28800bph: Here is what i found about this movementon RWI : The DG4813 is a variation that runs at high beat. This is not a direct drop in replacement due to the canon pinion height and would need to be modified to work with most Rolex replicas. These were available for a short period of time in some Rolex replicas but seem to have been out of production for a while. You can still purchase a DG4813 from regular supply companies (CousinsUK/Ofrei) but would need to do a canon pinion swap with a DG2813 with high canon pins. But i did a little research on allwatchparts.com and I saw that the two movements, DG2813 and DG4813 have same hand sizes which is: 1520/1000/170 So i am a little bit confused.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 ive changed the 21 j to eta clone on my bp.u will need a different hand set to fit the new movement and a new dwo.as thw the 21j dwo wont fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 I don't want an ETA or an Asian clone, I would like to install a cheap Chinese DG4813 with same rate beat. Because of the price. Is it a hard to change the cannon pinion or I better bring the movement to a pro watchmaker ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Tony told me that the factory doesn't want to change the watch so I told him to send it to me, I will wear like that until I order from Andrew from TT a ceramic bezel that fit the watch. Andrew is selling for 25$ without shipment a 116610LN ceramic bezel and I asked him if it will fit a BP 114060 ceramic, here is his reply: Your watch model requires the insert with pearl and is usd55 shipped airmail a piece. Thanks I am confused. So is the bezel that I saw on his website will fit this BP submariner no date model ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 he is just confused the insert he sells for 25 and free world wide shipping is the bp insert thats already on your watch.like ive said ive bought 4 from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 The 4 that you got from him were perfectly aligned ? Are they oldest BP insert model with thicker and deeper numeral on the insert (as gen) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 there is only one version of a bp sub c insert.but there is variation between them ,the insert that came on my bp sub c has a thinner font than the other 3 inserts i have.and one of the other insert had thinner font,also they are all different thickness ,one of my fits beautiful and flush all around the bezel,but the others the top part with the triangle is thinner than the end with the 30 number,so the to sits too low in the bezel and looks [censored].so its hit and miss to get a perfect insert that fits great and has perfect thick engravings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 So the best thing to do is at least ordering two insert to have better chance to get one well made. Before I order I will ask Andrew if he can send me one with thicker numerals hope he will understand. And concerning to upgrade the movement I think put on it instead of the 2813 a dg4813 high beat movement doesn't worth the effort.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 why do you want to change your 21j and what di you want to replace it with.only reason i changed mine was the low beat rate bothered me after a while.so put in an asian eta clone.sweeping smooth as butter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) oh i see now,you want to swap out the low beat 21j for the high beat 21j movement for smooth sweep.if this is the case you will need a new hand set and dwo as they are not a direct fit.the new highbeaet movement is basically a very cheap eta clone so takes eta hands etc also ive heard the higher beat movement is not reliable.i have the 21j high beat movement in my bp sd its ok so far Edited December 30, 2013 by live1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted December 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 oh i see now,you want to swap out the low beat 21j for the high beat 21j movement for smooth sweep.if this is the case you will need a new hand set and dwo as they are not a direct fit.the new highbeaet movement is basically a very cheap eta clone so takes eta hands etc also ive heard the higher beat movement is not reliable.i have the 21j high beat movement in my bp sd its ok so far Yes this is what I wanted to do. But I think an ETA will be better, there's hands on Ebay that fit 2836-2 with blue lume. What kind of Sea-dweller you have? A 1665 red ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 bp sd the best on earth other than gen.with tc hands and crown and tube .and soon braclet .just go with eta clone.and get eta bp hands from ryan intime or ask on all the forums if any modders have a dwo and hands set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Why do I need a DWO for an eta with this no date model ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 oh i fogot u have no date version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Ok, I though that I will need to change the DWO for the dial then it will fit the movement. So no need DWO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live1 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 just bp eta hand set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Does a calibre 3130 movement clone exist or not yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted January 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 Tony has sent the watch, the factory didn't change it so I will mod the insert ! Tony's service is good but quiet slow, I think 2 weeks if it is not more passed since I ordered the watch. Hope I wil get it without any issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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