flavor flav Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 some quick pics. the strap makes the watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Wow beautiful watch. Could you please tell us a little bit more about it? Where you bought it, movement etc? I have been looking at this one at some dealers but most of the ones I have seen have a little hole in the top of the crown (sometimes covered by a blue sticker like this http://watchwindersworld.com/iw10025-jones...498-p-1008.html ) I dont know if the picture show some kind of pre production version but I think it does not look very nice so I have been waiting for a nicer version to come with a Swiss made movement. Edited January 28, 2007 by mrnixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usil Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) That is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. Could you tell us the maker of the strap and provide a link? Wear it well. Usil Edited January 28, 2007 by Usil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uziuzi Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 WOW ! Put an IWC deployment buckle on it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonna Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 @mrnixon. Could you explain better what you mean with "little hole in the top of the crown" ? I have 2 FAJ (Viagra + skeleton), and both have a "flat" area on top of the crown, but no hole at all. As far as I know the gen also have this "flat" area there. It is avalable with swiss or asian movement, but only the asian have the "correct" engravements. I think the chance is very small the factories will bother to update the swiss version. Both mine are asian, and only need a tiny bit of tuning to run close to COSC standard. So I dont really see the need for swiss here. Especially since River is selling these for $89 incl shipping, that is cheap for this quality I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 @mrnixon. Could you explain better what you mean with "little hole in the top of the crown" ? I have 2 FAJ (Viagra + skeleton), and both have a "flat" area on top of the crown, but no hole at all. As far as I know the gen also have this "flat" area there. It is avalable with swiss or asian movement, but only the asian have the "correct" engravements. I think the chance is very small the factories will bother to update the swiss version. Both mine are asian, and only need a tiny bit of tuning to run close to COSC standard. So I dont really see the need for swiss here. Especially since River is selling these for $89 incl shipping, that is cheap for this quality I think. With a hole I mean that at the top of the crown there is a little hole where you can see the pin comming out of the movement. If you look at the link in my previous message, you can see that this little hole is covered with a blue sticker. At least that is how it looks at the pictures when you enlarge them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 But the swiss version is much better. The case is solid and watch weight much more as asian version. Swiss movement ist standard and not decorated, but much better quality as asian decorated unitas. And the most important thing is: Swiss version has GENUINE sapphire glass and the asian version has ???? glass... what a sh*t glass :yucky: BTW, i think my spezial edition is one of the best IWC Jones ever look here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Wow, beautiful watch. Now it gets a bit OT, but since the swiss vs ch movement issue came up. I am far from an expert on reps but my philosophy is to buy the simplest and best quality possible. The reason is that for me it is simply not worth all the problems searching the net, wire money, potential problems with the customs, pick up the watch etc if the watch does not last for a longer period of time. To get something that almost imediately will require shipping all over the world, problems with spare parts and not finding a willing watchmaker is not worth the eventual savings in the range of 100 usd. I want to buy a watch that with a minimum of service will last for at least 10 years, preferably longer. I therefore go for a watch with the swiss eta 6497. It seems to be a rock solid movement that almost any watch maker can find spare parts for and should be able to provide service. The same is valid for simplicity of the watch. Reading the forum gives me the impression that if something is complicated and can break, well then it will break. And that means the same as just mentioned, sending it all over the world, problems with spare parts etc. Therefore I try to avoid everything which can possibly bread such as rotating bezels, screw crowns, and all other moving parts. As you can imagine a Breitling wiht ch 7750 or similar watches is not really my bag with :-) Based on that I have to favorites with Swiss ETAs, the Pam 111, 177 et al (not much can break on watch like that I guess) and the IWC Jones (nothing can break there I guess that cannot be easily repaired or replaced). Both of them are also two of my favorite watches among gens. I guess both those models will last and make me happy for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonna Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 @mrnixon. Then I think you have been tricked by reflections/light settings in the pictures. The "blue sticker" is just transport protection that most rep watches have on the crown when you get it. Just scrape it of as soon as you get it. There is no small hole under it (At least not on any of my watches) Here is a closeup of the crowns on my 2 FA Jones. Think you can see clearly there is no hole there. @Tourbillon1801. I agree the swiss is best, but the asian is "good enough". And you also get an engravement and other details that looks a lot like the gen. How heavy is the watch in swiss version ? My "normal" asian is 67g with strap etc, and the skeleton is 60g. I think the glass/crystal on both of my reps look ok. Both passes the "water drop" test, but only the skeleton feels "solide" when I tap on it. ( The skeleton also had a small sticker with "sapphire" written on in english and chinese when I got it ) Have no diamond tester, so unable to check them closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I have the swiss, a friend has the asian. when we put them together even he agrees the quality is better on the swiss. Don't know why? oh, swiss does have saphire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 But the swiss version is much better. The case is solid and watch weight much more as asian version. Swiss movement ist standard and not decorated, but much better quality as asian decorated unitas. And the most important thing is: Swiss version has GENUINE sapphire glass and the asian version has ???? glass... what a sh*t glass :yucky: BTW, i think my spezial edition is one of the best IWC Jones ever look here the swiss version is much heavier, better crystal, more reliable although the asian is still running strong, but the movement looks nothing like the genuine and the asian looks dam close! so the asian is the way to go with this one.. tourby, your movement looks awesome but not accurate for this model of course. if you have one of your custom non branded dials on yours it will be awesome! That is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. Could you tell us the maker of the strap and provide a link? Wear it well. Usil www.lonestarwatches.com $99 for the strap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Swiss Version weight 79,25g... 15% more as asian version!!!!!! swiss has sapphire glass and asian has synthetic saphir do you knwo what is synthetic saphir? no? ask Joshua or Pugwash. Both knows what it is... :yucky: Edited January 28, 2007 by tourbillon1801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Swiss Version weight 79,25g... 15% more as asian version!!!!!! swiss has sapphire glass and asian has synthetic saphir do you knwo what is synthetic saphir? no? ask Joshua or Pugwash. Both knows what it is... :yucky: how about using the asian movement bridges and swiss guts swapped into the swiss version case. i wonder if it would work... i have the parts i may try it one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 the asian version is very lightweight and the glass sucks for sure. movement just "looks" better that's all. i think it can pass for genuine better than the swiss model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I have the swiss, a friend has the asian. when we put them together even he agrees the quality is better on the swiss. Don't know why? oh, swiss does have saphire! Are you happy with your swiss version? I am thinking about getting one, so a short review or other info such as where you bought it etc would be very appreciated. Thanks Ulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 It doesn't matter if you have the Swiss or Asian version...The "weak link" on this watch are the blue hands. The first time you have your movement serviced (Swiss or Asian)the hands WILL be marred...and then you're hosed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 It doesn't matter if you have the Swiss or Asian version...The "weak link" on this watch are the blue hands. The first time you have your movement serviced (Swiss or Asian)the hands WILL be marred...and then you're hosed. Thanks for your input. Since I was going to buy one (a Swiss), you saved me 250-300 usd. It is maybe not so much money but still, if the watch is just going to last a year or so (when the first service is needed) and after that it will just end up as worthless junk in a drawer, it is still not worth the money. And if you think about it, a few of those lemons will together, in terms of money, will make the same amount as for example a genunine Omega Speedmaster Profesional in good second hand condition and that is a very nice watch which will last for a life time and which you can sell and get your money back etc. So I am very happy about this forum and comments like this so we can avoid lemons and can use our money in a wiser way. The more I read, I learn that it is not difficult to get carried away by pictures and then waste serious amonts of money on poor quality and disappointments. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 It doesn't matter if you have the Swiss or Asian version...The "weak link" on this watch are the blue hands. The first time you have your movement serviced (Swiss or Asian)the hands WILL be marred...and then you're hosed. ask me for hands set... i have some of this blue hands set on stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Thanks for your input. Since I was going to buy one (a Swiss), you saved me 250-300 usd. It is maybe not so much money but still, if the watch is just going to last a year or so (when the first service is needed) and after that it will just end up as worthless junk in a drawer, it is still not worth the money. And if you think about it, a few of those lemons will together, in terms of money, will make the same amount as for example a genunine Omega Speedmaster Profesional in good second hand condition and that is a very nice watch which will last for a life time and which you can sell and get your money back etc. So I am very happy about this forum and comments like this so we can avoid lemons and can use our money in a wiser way. The more I read, I learn that it is not difficult to get carried away by pictures and then waste serious amonts of money on poor quality and disappointments. Thanks again. why you saved 250-300 usd? a unitas need only all 5-10 years a service. If you oil it all 2 years it is also ok. a Unitas movement is a simple and very robust movement.. don´t need all 3 years a full service like rolex movement!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrnixon Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 why you saved 250-300 usd? a unitas need only all 5-10 years a service. If you oil it all 2 years it is also ok. a Unitas movement is a simple and very robust movement.. don´t need all 3 years a full service like rolex movement!!!!! I got the impressioin from a message above that the weakest link would be the hands of the watch and that they would not be possible to use after the watch has been service. Then I thought a watch without hands is not very useful and decided therefor not to buy it, which made me write that I had saved 250 usd. Then I read today that the problem with the hands is apparantly only that the blue ones might loose some paint. which I think is not the end of the world. So we'll see, I will probably go for one PAM (probably 177) and the IWC Jones both with swiss movements. So now I want to learn more where to get a real swiss movement. My impression after reading both here at the forum but mainly also elsewhere is that it seems to be a very robust and reliable movement which is easy and cheap to get the service for, ie just what I am looking for. After reading the messages here at the forum it is rather confusing and requires alot of research. I am not so interested in swan necks etc, all I want is a genuine Swiss 6497 that is reliable today and in 10 years. I wish there was some kind of standard so that Swiss ETA 6497 really means exactly that and not something else so that I end up paying 300 usd for a watch with a movement for which I cannot find spareparts in the future etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted February 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I got the impressioin from a message above that the weakest link would be the hands of the watch and that they would not be possible to use after the watch has been service. Then I thought a watch without hands is not very useful and decided therefor not to buy it, which made me write that I had saved 250 usd. Then I read today that the problem with the hands is apparantly only that the blue ones might loose some paint. which I think is not the end of the world. So we'll see, I will probably go for one PAM (probably 177) and the IWC Jones both with swiss movements. So now I want to learn more where to get a real swiss movement. My impression after reading both here at the forum but mainly also elsewhere is that it seems to be a very robust and reliable movement which is easy and cheap to get the service for, ie just what I am looking for. After reading the messages here at the forum it is rather confusing and requires alot of research. I am not so interested in swan necks etc, all I want is a genuine Swiss 6497 that is reliable today and in 10 years. I wish there was some kind of standard so that Swiss ETA 6497 really means exactly that and not something else so that I end up paying 300 usd for a watch with a movement for which I cannot find spareparts in the future etc. just post the watch you want to buy and we'll tell you if it's swiss or asian. or "hybrid" (dagger movement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I have ordered mine this week (from Precious Time)... I've had a good surpise yesterday : Portuguse Chrono is back from China (issue on PR) Just to wait to see how long this F..... modiffied 7750 will be ok !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webvan Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 That is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. Could you tell us the maker of the strap and provide a link? Did we ever find out where that strap came from ? You got an Asian version from Watcheden and absolutely love it! I weighed it, 68 grams too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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