almo Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I would like to buy my second pam, and I'm not such an expert, so I would appreciate some help very much. Is there anything apart of the engine different between 111H and 111G?. which are the differences between them?. What is a swan neck?. What about the model available now (it appears as AR front glass, but I haven't seen decent shots at the dealer's websites). Thanks a lot for your help and understanding in advance. Regards!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I believe the 111h has the CDG bridges (wave pattern) while the 111g has "PANERAI PANERAI" engraged on the bridges. Swan neck is the little bent piece of metal on the back of the movement where the regulator is.... hope that helps you find it somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Also H has sandwich dial. The key problem on most H reps is that the crownguard on the gen was changed (enlarged and with lever centered) - but not on most reps. Most PAM's after the A and B series have single-sided AR coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almo Posted April 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Also H has sandwich dial. The key problem on most H reps is that the crownguard on the gen was changed (enlarged and with lever centered) - but not on most reps. Most PAM's after the A and B series have single-sided AR coat. Thank you very much for your help, both Daytonic and Kruzer00!! You are very kind. I basically have to choose the best 111G, which is the engine I visually prefer, and I don't know which one, between for example wo-mart and andrew, specially makes me doubt that wo-mart's is a lot cheaper, and in the photographs it looks better, but I don't understand why. In the description, both are described as front glass AR. Are the two following the same model?. andrew: wo-mart: could you help me in choosing? I won't disturb you again. Regards again from Barcelona, my friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Well the engraving on Womarts is better, but the swans neck on Andrews is better, buy them both and transplant the SN on to womarts works????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 To add to that, wo-mart's is more "swiss" of a movement as far as the parts in it go than Trusty/Andrew's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I own the 111G from Andrew and am very pleased with it. It is an awesome watch and a damn fine replica. You cannot go wrong with this watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Not to stir up trouble but I would question whether the watch in the picture from Andrew is a Swiss movement. I have never seen a dagger with the correct dagger shape on a swiss movement. I remember Ziggy did a review of one (I have no idea what dealer it came from) and concluded it was not Swiss. Other people can weigh in as that may have changed and they are now putting on the correct dagger on swiss movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 (edited) Paul's (Wo-Mart) 111G comes with the latest upgraded E-series Swiss ETA movement. Andrew's (Trusty) 111G still comes with an inferior Asian/Swiss ETA 6497 mov't, also referred to as ETA 'hybrid'. Wo_Mart 111G shouldn't be compared to Andrew's, but Joshua's (www.perfect-clones.com) 111G he currently offers. It is basically the same watch. As for your dealer preference...some people go with Paul based on his drop-pants prices, some prefer security they get with Joshua or Andrew. I used to source some of my reps from Paul, until one order went sour...you're on your own then on, buddy. hope this helps, babola Edited April 19, 2007 by babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rxus Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I'd like to thank the OP becasue I also had a similar curiosity regarding the 111 both g and H, but since i know absolutly nothing about Pams i decided not to ask..lol Now I am more informed thanks to you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawo Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I believe the 111h has the CDG bridges (wave pattern) while the 111g has "PANERAI PANERAI" engraged on the bridges. Swan neck is the little bent piece of metal on the back of the movement where the regulator is.... hope that helps you find it somewhat. There are 2 watches on Andrew's site. This one is the Asian Unitas 6497 Movement This one is the Swiss Unitas 6497 Movement I assume that the circled portion is the swan regulator. Am I correct about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yeah it is that bent piece of metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almo Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Wow!! You are all very kind. I really didn't expect this helpful reaction. Well, thank you a lot, I hope day by day I'll keep learning from you. By the way, sorry to Craytonic by writing wrongly your name earlier. Thanks to all of you for your help!! Regards, Almo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 No worries 111h is probably my favorite rep. If you decide to go with that one wait a week or two because some new & more accurate movements have surfaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almo Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 No worries 111h is probably my favorite rep. If you decide to go with that one wait a week or two because some new & more accurate movements have surfaced. I'm affraid too late!! I already have asked for 111g, but well... I can always get another See you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 I like 'em both. But for me, the G is a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Nice little discussion. I got my 111H from Davidsen. I am quite happy with the watch, and found his service to be excellent. Although the price was high it was comprable to buying a piece and having it re-lumed by The Zigmeister or vac, or any of the other illustrious lumers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOEJOEJOE Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 G-series reps don't come with the correct caseback though - for those who are picky. Most-likely F-series or H-series. G-series 111 should have brushed CG, while E and F should come polished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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