dachshund Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I have the 029 from EL, it definately has the ETA logo on movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klink Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 @Gunnar.. I could have told you this quite some time ago:I guess Klink has been correct all along regarding what the Chinese are able to do. Maybe there is a Sea-Gull movement more or less identical to the ETA-2836 or 2824 as well..I am not sure...we will probably hear and see more about this later. (Come to think of it, guess I did...) There is more to the story, you know... Life is Good! Klink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 @Gunnar.. I could have told you this quite some time ago: (Come to think of it, guess I did...) There is more to the story, you know... Life is Good! Klink You did tell us but not all were listening I've also heard this: ETA Valjoux 7750 automatic chronograph replica commonly referred to by internet retaillers as 'Automatic Cal. 8850' or Millionsmart 8850 Million Smart Enterprises have been offering these Cal. 8850 for a couple of years. Although Million Smart are based in Kowloon, their manufacturing is done in Shenzhen. Unclear is whether Million Smart manufacture their own movements or finish ebauches bought from other factories or if this movement has undergone a couple of revisions (including new dial layouts), so it is said to be edging towards being a calibre in its own right rather than simply a copy of the Valjoux. I guess that is what The Zigmeister has told and shown us earlier. Pictures of the 8850 http://www.anyboard.net/rec/wusimages/uploads/DSCF5282.JPG http://www.anyboard.net/rec/wusimages/uploads/DSCF5283.JPG http://www.anyboard.net/rec/wusimages/uploads/DSCF5284.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klink Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 (edited) When the manufacturing cost of counterfeits and forgeries falls far below the cost such items will bring, there is great opportunity to manufacture great wealth for the producer. This has always been the case, both historically and in the present, and applies to watches and movements both.. General Zheng (member name Soviet on RWG1) has had quite a bit to say about Seagull.. Million Smart does manufacture movements.. especially, as you can find, tourbillons.. and they do use subcontractors.. there is no clearly defined or single place of manufacture. Alvin and Heidi Tofler best explained the difficulties of information flow, as a phenomenon, in their book 'The Third Wave'. "This book is one that makes you hit your head and say "Why did'nt I see that". This should be required reading for anyone in management or in the IT field. It brings everything into focus as to why things are happening. I was amazed at the keen perception the author has. This is a must read." Information technology passing from the 'modern' world to industrial (second wave) capabilities.. the interface becomes a fluid and dynamic areas that cross connects the utilization of old and new.. : ) Information 'lag' as well as preconceived conceptualization are readily apparent as a by product of shifting and evolving capabilities. Life is Good! Klink Edited May 3, 2006 by Klink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 (edited) auction Its a clean movement, but not very robust imho. will they last as miyota do? Regards! Edited May 3, 2006 by manuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 When the manufacturing cost of counterfeits and forgeries falls far below the cost such items will bring, there is great opportunity to manufacture great wealth for the producer. This has always been the case, both historically and in the present, and applies to watches and movements both.. General Zheng (member name Soviet on RWG1) has had quite a bit to say about Seagull.. Million Smart does manufacture movements.. especially, as you can find, tourbillons.. and they do use subcontractors.. there is no clearly defined or single place of manufacture. Alvin and Heidi Tofler best explained the difficulties of information flow, as a phenomenon, in their book 'The Third Wave'. "This book is one that makes you hit your head and say "Why did'nt I see that". This should be required reading for anyone in management or in the IT field. It brings everything into focus as to why things are happening. I was amazed at the keen perception the author has. This is a must read." Information technology passing from the 'modern' world to industrial (second wave) capabilities.. the interface becomes a fluid and dynamic areas that cross connects the utilization of old and new.. : ) Information 'lag' as well as preconceived conceptualization are readily apparent as a by product of shifting and evolving capabilities. Life is Good! Klink I sure do love to surf on that third wave Regards Gunnar (thank you for that convoluted compliment phil....or are you way ahead of me on the ocean?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 will they last as miyota do? Regards! Yes! more or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 great job Gunnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 The Sea-Gull ST28 alarm in action: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Fabulous and imformative post. Thanks, Gran. Great to have you back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Fabulous and imformative post. Thanks, Gran. Great to have you back. Thank you kruzer00, tourbillon1801, Lollipop and the rest of you its nice to be back in shape again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Somebody... make this a sticky!! Thanx for the info, dude... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 thats the answer to sw*tch group about stop supliying eta ebauches! haha you sw*tch loosers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Reading a resent thread here on RWG this "flying-tourbillion" is added to the list of Asian movements: Lots of variations on this movement This is what they say: "We specialize in producing automatic mechanical watches. Our 1,800-square-meter factory in mainland China produces 600,000 high-quality QA and LCD watches each month. We offer competitive prices and prompt delivery. Our in-house QC department ensures excellent performance of our products. Send us your specifications today for the hottest product in market!" Staff Details: Production Staff: 150 to 199 QC Staff: 20 to 29 R&D Staff: 5 to 9 Materials/Components: 70% of our materials and components are imported form China, 15% from Japan and 15% from Swiss. Address: Flat A-C, 8/F., Dragon Centre, 79 Wing Hong St., Cheung Sha Wan, Kowloon, H.K. Tel. No.: (852) 2370-8399 Fax No.: (852) 2370-8221 Email Address: marketing@millionsmart.com http://www.millionsmart.com/e/default_home.asp However I am not at all sure that they make their own movements maybe they just buy the parts..who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 1603_1, 6922_1 (faux chrono), 6502_1 are what you will find in just about every cheap Rolex copy I've come accross.. I have to say the 1603_1 is a rather good movement for the money, its pretty accurate and has a nice "feel" when winding.. From what I can tell its basically a Miyota copy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Update from one of my earlier posts: New 3rd-Generation Tourbillon from Sea-Gull. Currently the RRP is US$4000 but will certainly go down in the future.... Comments please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I would like to know more about that movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 PTS resources http://www.ptsresources.com/ , some of their movements goes to SEIKO replica's . Maybe to others too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takashi Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 ST22 can be found on Louis Bolle Liason 2. Dual time... Pretty good watch for way under 200USD IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted November 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 ST22 can be found on Louis Bolle Liason 2. Dual time... Pretty good watch for way under 200USD IMHO. The name "Louis Bolle " sounds rather funny in my language. Bolle means bun or could also be slang for pussy. The get back on topic..... the movement is fine but I would stay as far aways form the "Louis Bolle" brand as possible. g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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