Best Value PAM 111 and 212

[Spy]

Hi everyone

I only just found the site and am mightily impressed by the following rep watches seem to have.

I am totally new to this and would be grateful for some advice.

I would really like either a PAM 111 or 212 (1950 Flyback) but cannot afford the cost of a genuine model.

Who supplies the best value (balance of price, quality and accuracy) PAM 111 and PAM 212 ?

I am assuming it may not be the same supplier.

So far I have come across a site called homagewatch.com who says they supply PAM111.com watches in the UK

Has anyone heard of these and how do they compare to any recommended suppliers ?

Once again, thanks for your help and I am very excited about finding this site. I can see this becoming an addictve hobby

Edited May 6, 2008 by Spy

[turboGUATE]

Check the collectors for what offers they currently have.

I would recommend Angus or PreciousTime if you are in the UK.

Welcome to the forum and enjoy your new addiction.

Cheers!

[Jawo]

I would recommend the 111E from Puretime.

[Spy]

Thanks guys.

Turbo, is Angus based in the UK hence your recommendation ?

Jawo, what is the difference between the 111E and 111H ?

Thanks.

[b16a2]

Angus isn't based in the UK, but you shouldn't have any problems ordering from him, I never have, he is a great 'collector'

As far as the differences, the only main difference I am aware of is that the 111e is a sausagedial (lume is applied onto the dial) and the 111h is a sandwich dial (lume is underneath and the numbers and markers are cut out of the black part of the dial and layered on top).

[turboGUATE]

Sorry, my bad. It was a typo. Angus is not based in the UK but Precious Time is.

By the way Angus=PureTime

[Jawo]

Here are the differences:

PAM111E

PANERAI stamped all over movement

Conventional sausage dial

Polished crown guard

PAMIIIH

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[elisiX]

Angus's 111e + 001b caseback + vaclume/cannon pin fix/palp crown = winnar.

Once I receive my 188 and there are more asian - dagger - swan neck's available - ill be all over one too.

[Spy]

Thanks Elisir, and everyone for your great advice.

I am a little worried about buying my first rep from the Far East and would prefer to buy in the UK in order to avoid customs complications.

Does anyone know of a great PAM 111 rep that is supplied by a UK seller ?

[evo5555]

turboGUATE mentioned Precious Time is UK based...

[Spy]

turboGUATE mentioned Precious Time is UK based...

Thanks, but does Precious time do a good 111 replica ?

I guess my original questions should have been who does the best 111 rep in the UK.

I have found this one, what do people think ?

Link to pics (due to size):

Front -1

Front -2

Back-Swiss 6497-2 (or so I am told)

Thanks.

Edited May 8, 2008 by Spy

[robj]

Thanks, but does Precious time do a good 111 replica ?

I guess my original questions should have been who does the best 111 rep in the UK.

I have found this one, what do people think ?

Link to pics (due to size):

Front -1

Front -2

Back-Swiss 6497-2 (or so I am told)

Thanks.

There are much better copies than that around think thats an "E" series swiss/Asian movement (base swiss with asian parts) it's most certainly the older 6497-1 and in the wrong case I am almost sure that movement should be on a solid dial not a sandwich dial. I cant see from picture if cannon pinion is standard or been fixed. It's ok if its under $150 but I wouldn't pay any premium for the swiss part of it you would be better off with a 6497-2 Asian H series with swan neck they are around for less than $200 and far more accurate a copy than the one in the picture

[peepshow]

That's a Swiss movement, but it's not a 6497-2. This is the older OP1 or OP2 style movement, not the OPX/OPXI that should be in a 111. Completely wrong movement for a sandwich dial 111. That's a great movement for any A-D series PAM rep you might want to build, though.