Noob looking for a little guidance

[Bryan Warren]

Hello all,

I have been searching this form for a few months now trying to learn as much as possible. I am ready to make a purchase and would like some opinions and advice.

I am planing on buying three difrent Rolex Date Just watches from perfect clones .com, and the questions I have are.

1. Are DJ watches pretty safe when it comes to reps or are there some real bad ones out there just like all others?

2. If I buy watches with ETA movments will they last just as long as a production watch with the same movement?

3. when buying reps from perfect clones and they are advertised as ETA movments will they actualy be ETA movments?

4. Will these watches require any maintinece when recived or will they be ready to go i.e. regulaton, oiling, pressure testing?

Thank you to all who take the time to read and respond to my noob questions. If you have anything else you think I should be aware of please let me know.

[w.genzo]

Hi, welcome to the forum, you're at a good starting point.

I'll try to answer..

1) DJ are pretty well done, be carefull that sometimes the small roman numbers besides the hour markers are wrong with a double VII, so VI VII VII IX.

Joshua (perfect clones) seems to haev the correct version

Avoid too fancy DJ, with diamonds or full gold, they scream fake

2) yes and no. If you service the movement it will last for decades exactly like a gen watch ETA powered, otherwise it could give you some troubles.

3) Yes for the 2836-2 ETA, until now..

4)If you don't do it now, you'll have to do it later.. Old ETA rep had a better movement inside, now after the ETA price increase, dealers started to use worst quality ETA movements..

[Corgi]

Lately I have been accused of being rude to noobs, so I'll try to be as helpful here as possible as an apology.

1. Are DJ watches pretty safe when it comes to reps or are there some real bad ones out there just like all others?

If you stick with approved forum dealers (Joshua, Narikaa, etc.) you can be sure to receive a high-quality Rolex Datejust replica. Two things should cause concern for you, however. The first of these is gold. My DJ was advertised as "18k 5mil" gold "plate". It started to rub off a little, and turns my wrist green after prolonged wear. I would advise you to get the slightly more expensive alternative advertised as "14k 15mil wrap". This should stay on a little longer, but the weight of the watch will still be too light. If this is an issue, stick with stainless steel. The other issue is slightly more complicated - it concerns the 8:00 hour marker. On some models, a dash is missing from the small roman numeral indicator. This means that you basically get 2 "XII" (in place of the seven, correctly; and in place of the eight, incorrectly.). Researching photos before buying, or asking your dealer to check before shipping, is a good way to ensure your watch is consistent. If you want to get a Turn-O-Graph model, you should recognize that the bezel may lose its ability to rotate bi-directionally. These are generally very accurate watches, and excellent choices for a first rep.

2. If I buy watches with ETA movments will they last just as long as a production watch with the same movement?

Movement lifespan is fairly irregular in the replica community. In general, however, it is ambitious to assume this would happen with certitude. Genuine watches have their ETAs regulated, cleaned, and adjusted by professionals before sale. Our ETAs are often of dubious origin, and are rarely (99.99% never) tested/adjusted/cleaned by dealers unless you pay for such a service (which itself is of dubious quality). Today, many watches actually have "replica" ETA movements which are identical to the gens. They are good movements, and usually work fine. I have many, and have experienced problems with only one which arrived DOA. It was a small, lady movement 2671-2.

3. when buying reps from perfect clones and they are advertised as ETA movments will they actualy be ETA movments?

This is a very hard question to answer. Just a year ago, I would have written "yes, absolutely!" without giving it a second thought. But now, with the ETA shortage and the introduction of cloned movements, it is hard to say. I can only say from personal experience, having purchased many watches from PC, that all of them arrived with as-advertised movements. Joshua, the owner, is a very honest dealer and it is likely most of his watches contain genuine ETA watches. Some, like the recent Bell & Ross incident, were proven to contain imitations - but eventually he changed the labeling on his site in accordance with the findings of a thread here called "Little White Lies".

4. Will these watches require any maintinece when recived or will they be ready to go i.e. regulaton, oiling, pressure testing?

I have never regulated or cleaned any of my reps either before shipping or after arrival, and even the oldest (1 1/2 yr +) still work fine. Considering full servicing by a REPUTABLE (read: not guangzhou) watchsmith costs about $200+, the value is questionable. If the watch is to work for 5 years unregulated, why spend money when, more than likely, after all of this time you would have moved on to something different? I would recommend getting your watch serviced after 2 years of ownership, where you know that you like it and would like it preserved for future wear. Be advised: it is rare for local watch repair people in your community to willingly service reps. I haven't been able to find anyone in my village who would be willing to do it. I would not recommend paying for the perfect-clone servicing or waterproofing. Sorry.

That said, I wish you the best of luck, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

Edited May 14, 2008 by Corgi

[Mickey Padge]

Is that your real name you are logging in as? That might not be a wise idea.......

[teddy boy]

Lately I have been accused of being rude to noobs, so I'll try to be as helpful here as possible as an apology.

1. Are DJ watches pretty safe when it comes to reps or are there some real bad ones out there just like all others?

If you stick with approved forum dealers (Joshua, Narikaa, etc.) you can be sure to receive a high-quality Rolex Datejust replica. Two things should cause concern for you, however. The first of these is gold. My DJ was advertised as "18k 5mil" gold "plate". It started to rub off a little, and turns my wrist green after prolonged wear. I would advise you to get the slightly more expensive alternative advertised as "14k 15mil wrap". This should stay on a little longer, but the weight of the watch will still be too light. If this is an issue, stick with stainless steel. The other issue is slightly more complicated - it concerns the 8:00 hour marker. On some models, a dash is missing from the small roman numeral indicator. This means that you basically get 2 "XII" (in place of the seven, correctly; and in place of the eight, incorrectly.). Researching photos before buying, or asking your dealer to check before shipping, is a good way to ensure your watch is consistent. If you want to get a Turn-O-Graph model, you should recognize that the bezel may lose its ability to rotate bi-directionally. These are generally very accurate watches, and excellent choices for a first rep.

2. If I buy watches with ETA movments will they last just as long as a production watch with the same movement?

Movement lifespan is fairly irregular in the replica community. In general, however, it is ambitious to assume this would happen with certitude. Genuine watches have their ETAs regulated, cleaned, and adjusted by professionals before sale. Our ETAs are often of dubious origin, and are rarely (99.99% never) tested/adjusted/cleaned by dealers unless you pay for such a service (which itself is of dubious quality). Today, many watches actually have "replica" ETA movements which are identical to the gens. They are good movements, and usually work fine. I have many, and have experienced problems with only one which arrived DOA. It was a small, lady movement 2671-2.

3. when buying reps from perfect clones and they are advertised as ETA movments will they actualy be ETA movments?

This is a very hard question to answer. Just a year ago, I would have written "yes, absolutely!" without giving it a second thought. But now, with the ETA shortage and the introduction of cloned movements, it is hard to say. I can only say from personal experience, having purchased many watches from PC, that all of them arrived with as-advertised movements. Joshua, the owner, is a very honest dealer and it is likely most of his watches contain genuine ETA watches. Some, like the recent Bell & Ross incident, were proven to contain imitations - but eventually he changed the labeling on his site in accordance with the findings of a thread here called "Little White Lies".

4. Will these watches require any maintinece when recived or will they be ready to go i.e. regulaton, oiling, pressure testing?

I have never regulated or cleaned any of my reps either before shipping or after arrival, and even the oldest (1 1/2 yr +) still work fine. Considering full servicing by a REPUTABLE (read: not guangzhou) watchsmith costs about $200+, the value is questionable. If the watch is to work for 5 years unregulated, why spend money when, more than likely, after all of this time you would have moved on to something different? I would recommend getting your watch serviced after 2 years of ownership, where you know that you like it and would like it preserved for future wear. Be advised: it is rare for local watch repair people in your community to willingly service reps. I haven't been able to find anyone in my village who would be willing to do it. I would not recommend paying for the perfect-clone servicing or waterproofing. Sorry.

That said, I wish you the best of luck, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

Three chears for Corgi, you spent a great deal of time and gave the noob terrific advice!

[dluddy]

Great response Corgi

[By-Tor]

Well done Corgi!

That's the way to treat newbies.

[jfreeman420]

One last comment. Remember a replica is only a replica. Don't expect it to be comparable with a genuine watch and you will not be dissapointed.