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Good and bad: my gf wants a PAM


old skool

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At least one of the cartel dealers still has 42mm Rads and 40mm (auto) Luminors listed on his site... but that might not mean much, I've found that the dealer isn't the fastest in removing items that are no longer available.

Sourcing a bracelet may be a bit of a challenge as well... I know they exist, but I'd guess them to be even rarer than the 40mm Luminors.

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At least one of the cartel dealers still has 42mm Rads and 40mm (auto) Luminors listed on his site... but that might not mean much, I've found that the dealer isn't the fastest in removing items that are no longer available.

Sourcing a bracelet may be a bit of a challenge as well... I know they exist, but I'd guess them to be even rarer than the 40mm Luminors.

If you're talking about either Josh or Andrew, then those listings are stale. I'm not aware of any dealer that has access to any 40mm Luminors or 42mm Radiomirs today. If you can find one, a PAM 050 or 051 (40mm Lumimor with SS bracelet) would be the best for your GF. Those were really regarded as one of the very first super-reps. But they don't come on the second hand market frequently.

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Just curious, as I don't know anything about these watches...

I did a search for 40mm on iOffer and found a ton of watches for sale from $85 to $280. Descriptions from Japanese 7750 to asian 2836 to Swiss case, etc.

How do I determine what is crap and what is decent?

Is there any source for aftermarket parts for these watches? If case the crown and crown guard suck, or the crystal gets scratched, etc. What about sterile case backs?

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Buying my wife a 1st run 050 was the smartest thing I have ever done... she went from not understanding my passion for different Panerai models (she felt they all look the same) and different straps to her appreciation of both...

She laments that there are no really good chrono 40mm and she has an appt for her 050 to go up north for a re-lume...

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I'll have to see what I can do.

Inquiring does not harm.

These watches are declared as 40mm:

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Power-Reserve-40mm--30931986

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Luminor-Po...k-dial-59781831

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Pam-49-PAM49-PANER...J-40mm-63774676

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-luminor-ma...c-40mm-25554812

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Pam-168-Re...d-40mm-27586716

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Pam-060-Ch...p-40mm-31265031

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-LIMINOR-MA...-PAM49-29947411

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-LUMINOR-PO...PAM125-60216821

http://www.ioffer.com/i/LADIES-PANERAI-LUM...A-40MM-55733006

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Luminor-Po...-dial--52833226

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Pam-060-Ch...p-40mm-27586606

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-LUMINOR-PO...PAM125-30023246

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Daylight-s...o-find-33880961

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Luminor-Ma...-SIZE--33880336

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-LUMINOR-GM...-SIZE--33880551

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Luminor-Marina-40mm-63371016

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Pam-060-Ch...d-40mm-27586676

http://www.ioffer.com/i/LADIES-PANERAI-LUM...-CLASP-55731321

http://www.ioffer.com/i/LADIES-PANERAI-DAY...-CLASP-54800526

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-luminor-ma...c-40mm-59784281

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Pam-168-Re...t-40mm-31265586

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PANERAI-Pam-060-Ch...t-40mm-31265361

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Pam-49-PAM49-PANER...J-40mm-64917946

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Luminor-Po...-dial--64300116

http://www.ioffer.com/i/panerai-contempora...k-dial-64510586

http://www.ioffer.com/i/panerai-luminor-st...e-40mm-64515141

http://www.ioffer.com/i/OFFICINE-PNR-PAM04...YMENT--64928906

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Panerai-Luminor-Po...-40-mm-28065561

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18955.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18952.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18949.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--11373.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18954.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18951.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18948.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18953.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18950.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--18757.html

http://www.idolreplicas.com/panerai-lumino...tch--17471.html

This is not declared as 40mm, but it looks as it is:

http://www.timesshop.net/product.asp?id=599

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Yes, the really really good 40mm reps like the 1st generation 048-049-050-051 are sold out now, and since a long time ago. Those who foresaw those were super PAM reps at the level of, e.g., PAM 027 and 028, got lucky.

2nd generations got sold out recently, even if they were not as good as 1st generation (main differences: the DW, and possibly the dial font).

So I suppose that 90% of those offers are either fakes with 1st and 2nd generation pictures, or decent reps just not at the level of the old ones. Asking for real pics and details would not harm. If you select one, I can give you an opinion about it.

On the other hand, power reserve 40mm were not produced a few years ago. Surely all them are powered with the ST 2530 movement, what alone makes them good watches, even if inaccurate as reps.

As your GF was heading towards a homage watch, accuracy should be of no concern though.

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Seagull ST-2530, aka TY-2530.

35 jewels, date @3, power reserve indicator @5, small seconds @9, quick date change pusher @8. 13 1/2 lignes (30.40mm) diameter x 7.40mm thickness.

The ubiquitary movement found in all Chinese watches (including PAM reps) with PR @5.

Precise, solid and reliable. Rumors are that it gets repped though (yes: reps of a Chinese movement), and the reps may be or may be not at the level of the genuine.

Additional info here:

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=67741

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=74638

http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=53546

http://www.tjseagull.com/Product.asp?BigCl...T25%CF%B5%C1%D0

http://www.tractionink.com/watch_wiki/inde...Tianjin_Seagull

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