China and swiss 2824 comparison on watchuseek

[FxrAndy]

Hi Guys i found this while surfing round and thought you would all find it interesting

hxxp://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=216945

I dont know how much info some of the posters have but there are a couple of intersting and comon sence posts in there particualy post 26 point 2.

One thing it does do having read a couple of these is prove to me the quality of what the chinese can produce, the problem that we have is in the rep market the QC at all levels is bad as we know, End QC performed by some of out people now eliminates a lot of hassles and we know that we will never get good QC throught out the whole of production.

I would more than happily use officialy sourced versions of these movements.

[slickdick]

Nice post. Very informative.

The Hangzhou HZ6300 seems to be better out of the box, the Seagull a bit less (oiled), but has the 'looks'.

[kbh]

I find it interesting that the poster says basically no oil is better than too much oil, and that a movement with no oil could last 10 to 15 years. And these movements aren't going into heirlooms.

So from a production point of view it's better to under oil these movements for lower cost and less warranty returns.

Edited December 31, 2008 by kbh

[RWG Technical]

Too many pages for me to read it all in detail, but from what I did see and read, and very well done comparison with great pictures.

I can't imagine any non-oiled movement to last 10-15 years, well maybe if by "last" they mean run for that length of time, because it will surely be worn out when it finally does stop.

Great link, thanks so much for posting this.

RG

[coolfire]

Thanks for the link, Andy!

Damn..that Seagull TY2130 looks EXACTLY like the "eta 2824-2" in my SOSF, sans the engravings!!

[FxrAndy]

Too many pages for me to read it all in detail, but from what I did see and read, and very well done comparison with great pictures.

I can't imagine any non-oiled movement to last 10-15 years, well maybe if by "last" they mean run for that length of time, because it will surely be worn out when it finally does stop.

Great link, thanks so much for posting this.

RG

ziggy would you agree with the findings of his diagnosis that they are in fact a decent movement.

Personaly i like the look of them and would not mind using them when sourced officialy, i do agree with the statment that the second choice ones proberably end up in reps. Do you have any experience with offical ones?

[RWG Technical]

From what I see in the pictures he has posted, they look like excellent movements.

As for second choice movements, I don't think a factory like this one is producing anything but one type. ETA does extra finishing and polishing etc to make the movements of different grades, I can't see these going through that many extra steps, why bother. So I think that all of these movements, like all the A7750's for example, are of the same quality and grade, good.

As a comparison the Stellita copy of the 2824 is not that great, the few I have had in the shop had problems, and the Stellita is not interchangeable with ETA, so spares are not available. So Swiss made does not always mean quality...

RG