V Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 One of the most obvious differences between the rep and the gen is the CG but not face on but profile. Face on, on the wrist they are almost identical. Left gen, right rep Up gen, down rep Another thing though that NONE has ever mentioned is the thickness of the caseback.. Gen caseback is THICKER than the rep one and it IS visually obvious when you see the watches side by side and most important when you wear them because gen sits higher on your wrist. I don't know if you will manage to see from those photos but in reality it is considerably more thick. rep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted August 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 From the third photo you can also see clearely that the lugs are different... The gen are bigger and with different shape at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 One of the most obvious differences between the rep and the gen is the CG but not face on but profile. Face on, on the wrist they are almost identical. Anyway you can take a pic of how the gen CG gets larger as it moves away from the case whereas the rep is all one thickness? I thought this was the coolest part of the gen CG, thick, but thinner at the case so you can still wind it with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted August 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Anyway you can take a pic of how the gen CG gets larger as it moves away from the case whereas the rep is all one thickness? I thought this was the coolest part of the gen CG, thick, but thinner at the case so you can still wind it with ease. Chris I don't understand what you mean in your first sentence... What do you want me to take photo of? BTW.. The thinner CG (profile) is the rep one.. The thick is the gen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitmic Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Nice comparisson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Here is a pic of a gen 111h which I no longer have. I hope this gives you an idea of what I mean, it is just one of those little things that I really liked about the gen CG and I've never seen it in any rep, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Just to point out that the H series gen watches shown here have the new type (old type!!!) CG - this is the same as the Pre-A type CG's only brushed. For the G and very early H series PAM's the standard CG is fine. Did not realise about the casebacks - very interesting as I've never noticed that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Great stuff. This reminds me of an old story about Uri Geller: the spoon bender. He agreed to have his performance in front of a scientist stalls, not in front of a conjurer stalls. Noone is more skilled in rep flaws spotting than a rep lover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Excellent imfo V, Just like usual.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Do you think they changed the crownguard for a reason on the H's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 Just to point out that the H series gen watches shown here have the new type (old type!!!) CG - this is the same as the Pre-A type CG's only brushed. For the G and very early H series PAM's the standard CG is fine. Did not realise about the casebacks - very interesting as I've never noticed that before. Good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuDro Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Just the comparison that I've been looking for! For a while, I thought that I would have to go buy a gen in order to make the comparison for myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Just the comparison that I've been looking for! For a while, I thought that I would have to go buy a gen in order to make the comparison for myself... I didn't know about the casebacks either but unless you're looking at side by side pics who's going to notice? Anyone who knows how thick panerais should be down to the millimeter will have already recognized your rep long before they stack it on top of their watch. The crown guard problem is caused by the repmakers not making a new crown for the H series res--they just brushed the old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 V- Great comparison. Actually the casebacks are bigger on the H Series gens versus the G's. My bottom line is that I am staying away from the newer reps until someone gets the crown guards right. On the H my guess (and it is a guess) is that the change in the clear casebacks is more pronounced than on the solid casebacks. I have owned both gens and reps of the earlier models and the differences are not nearly as pronounced. Yes, a gen is a gen and in a different league but PAM is also getting smarter. Better crown guards, engraving in between the lugs, changing the spelling on engraved bezels between 250 and 251, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 PAM is also getting smarter. Better crown guards, engraving in between the lugs, changing the spelling on engraved bezels between 250 and 251, etc. Pretty sson they're going to start putting holograms on the backs ...definitely true and a good observation. Richemont has some experience with their watches being repped, so we can expect more of this kind of stuff avery year. Actually, I dont mind it that much. I think our friends in China will be able to keep up with most of the obvious-on-the-wrist stuff....eventally. And my own perfectionism aside, I don't really give a rats ass about the unseen parts of the lugs or the backs of my watches. Since I don't get the "I brought my watch to Tourneau today" trip, who's going to see them? If Panerai can come up with stuff that makes rep as real scammers' lives miserable, more power to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Arch- You're right. But someone is going to have to do a major redo on the crownguards for the H series and I suspect for future non-H series models. That fat-_ss H crownguard is damn impressive. Both the older gen and rep CG's are not nearly as impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usil Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Sounds like a project for the crown project guys. Usil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 I would confirm with what Mark (Finepics) has said. The comparison of the rep with a gen 'H' series highlights the faults with the rep 'H' series as the rep display back and crownguard were originally cast for the 'F' series, and were the correct shape and size then. However Panerai introduced the new larger (Pre-V not pre-A) style crownguard for the G series and onwards, to include the current I series. The rep problem relates only to the use of the older pattern parts with the H series sandwich dials. Similarly the caseback was correct for the F series and the rep back was originally designated F 2052/4000 etc. The standard rep polished crownguard is similar to the genuine pre-A, A, B ......F series watches and is the correct shape and profile for that period. CONCLUSION?? - We need a top quality reproduction of the current Panerai CG to suit the current and Pre-V style replicas, as there is little discernable difference between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted September 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 CONCLUSION?? - We need a top quality reproduction of the current Panerai CG to suit the current and Pre-V style replicas, as there is little discernable difference between them. Or.. buy older gen reps (111G etc etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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