Italian 27 Jewel Daytona 116520-slow Time

[Dwight]

I bought this unit from Global Replica. Loses 20 minutes or so per day. Second hand accurate. Can anyone look at this and try to repair? The Zigmeister I sent am email. Can you help?

[Guest RiverwindMDS]

With pictures you can have a better reply. But I think the movement will be an asian...

[Pugwash]

I bought this unit from Global Replica. Loses 20 minutes or so per day. Second hand accurate. Can anyone look at this and try to repair? The Zigmeister I sent am email. Can you help?

Wow, a ScamWatch? I'd really like to see some photos.

I presume you realise now that there is no such thing as an Italian Replica ...

[Dwight]

Wow, a ScamWatch? I'd really like to see some photos.

I presume you realise now that there is no such thing as an Italian Replica ...

[Dwight]

Here it is

http://www.globalreplica.com/replica-rolex-daytona07.php

So you think this is an Asian Movement? Anyway, can anyone fix?

[gioarmani]

Lol--Italian, huh?

I'd call your credit card company before The Zigmeister; I bet you paid between $600 and $1,000 for a $268 watch. Try this one, instead:

http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_p...products_id=313

It's definitely an Asian 7750...but "Italian" because it came with an espresso & lemon rind.

[t]

italian 27jewels movement???

[Dwight]

I bought a JLC Master Geographic for 249 that they sent instaed of a Master Perpetual I tried to get. They then sent this Asian/Italian whatever with the understanding that I return the JLC. I never did because I know these guys were shady. The trusty time fake lum markers do not match the one I have. I compared this fake to a real one at the store and it looks identical except for how it keeps time. Maybe I will spend the 10K and get a real one.

Anyway,

if these guys are Scammers why aren't they shut down?

[Pugwash]

if these guys are Scammers why aren't they shut down?

Selling replicas is already illegal.

Would you go to the police if you paid too much for cocaine, for instance?

[Dwight]

Selling replicas is already illegal.

Would you go to the police if you paid too much for cocaine, for instance?

Good point. But there are reputable relica dealers out there for years. I know the real scam artists have had the web sites shut down.

Anyway, should I fix this?

[Physher007]

Good point. But there are reputable relica dealers out there for years. I know the real scam artists have had the web sites shut down.

Anyway, should I fix this?

Do you have any pics of the watch you actually received?

[lello]

First thing we have to look at, to understand if we are in front of a scam rep site, is the pics of the products.

Scam sites often show pics of the genuine watches, as in this case.

Regarding to fix the problem, if it looses 20 minutes per day, it's not something you can fix by the regulator.

There might be something wrong inside.

If you are lucky, you could solve the matter disassembling the whole moviment and clean all parts, then re assembling everything carefully, by an expert watchsmith.

Good luck!

Edited January 7, 2007 by lello

[slay]

Selling replicas is already illegal.

Would you go to the police if you paid too much for cocaine, for instance?

you are comparing apples with oranges. buying cocaine (and the posetion) is highly illegal. buying a replica is not. or else the whole CSI has to go to prison for handling fake daytonas!

also, this global replica thing is not that much of a "scam". their items are reasonably priced. I see daytonas with chrono movements for 327$. Even if its asian, thats not much more than our dealers charge for an asian 7750 daytona!

and I remember very well that members here paid more than 1000$ for a swiss 7750 daytona!

[Pugwash]

you are comparing apples with oranges. buying cocaine (and the posetion) is highly illegal. buying a replica is not. or else the whole CSI has to go to prison for handling fake daytonas!

Er, buying a replica is illegal where I am.

[Pugwash]

also, this global replica thing is not that much of a "scam". their items are reasonably priced. I see daytonas with chrono movements for 327$. Even if its asian, thats not much more than our dealers charge for an asian 7750 daytona!

They lie about what they're selling. How is that not scamming?

[slay]

paul and josh also advertise their watches with "lemania movement" while it is NOT a lemania movement, its a seagull movement (copied venus 175).

I was just saying, that the prices are not as steep as a lot of other replica sites. [censored]'s best-swiss shop (sells on TRC) has about the same prices

[slay]

Er, buying a replica is illegal where I am.

where YOU are, it is also illegal to buy&drink redbull without a doctor's prescription.

where YOU are, it is was also illegal to use PGP for your emails (to crypt them) or any other encryption software (maybe it still is illegal, I do not know)

[gioarmani]

They lie about what they're selling. How is that not scamming?

Exactly.

Some mark-up is acceptable & inevitable in sales; no question. But extreme mark-up is a scam, as it's a con in definition and principle. Practically robbery. When as a dealer you paid around $150 cost for a watch, and sell it for $300--that's an acceptable and understandably justifiable margin. Caveat emptor, of course, but when some [censored]-wart buys the same watch for the same price (from the same supplier in Guangzhou...), and sells it for $1000, that's not mark-up, that's a proper ass-[censored]ing.

To Dwight, on the subject of adjusting your movement, 20 minutes a day is a bit extreme for a simple balance wheel regulation--essentially impossible on an ETA or other Swiss movement--but for the price you paid for this one I'll lay dollars to donuts it's an Asian 7750 movement. If it was a Swiss 7750, they'd have [censored]ed you for at least $1,400.

To start, if you don't have a case-back opener for Rolex, buy one of these immediately:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Watch-Back-Case-Opener...VQQcmdZViewItem

or

http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_p...fac8ed15f023e83

Second, open the back and look at the movement inside. DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING. If it looks like this, it's Swiss (ignore the writing on the rotor):

It will say "25 JEWELS, TWENTY-FIVE JEWELS, SWISS" on it:

Again, I doubt yours is Swiss.

If it looks like this, then it's the modified Asian 7750 for Daytonas:

I've found the Asian 7750's regulation to be extremely sensitive & touchy. You might actually be able to slow this movement down substantially--much more so than a Swiss movement.

The part circled below is an arm on the balance wheel to regulate the movement's beat:

If you move it to the left (clockwise), it will speed up the beat, making the watch run faster. If you move it counter-clockwise to the right (illustrated by the arrow) it will slow down the beat:

Without touching any other parts, try moving that arm almost all the way over to the right, to the position illustrated.

Now synch the watch (or at least take notice of the difference in times) with your computer's digital clock. Screw the case-back back on, and come back in 24 hrs. How much has the watch slowed down?

This should help quite a bit, but I'd bet the reason it's running too fast is because the movement is properly lubed--namely the balance's cap jewel (the translucent, pink stone shown below):

If you (or your local watchsmith) can apply a minute amount of watch oil to that jewel (as The Zigmeister says, about the size of the period located between the parenthesis here>>> (.), it will allow the hair-spring/balance to swing it's full course, instead of stopping short and causing it to "tick" too fast. Of course, over-oiling will also cause it to run extremely fast.

Hope that helps.

[Pugwash]

paul and josh also advertise their watches with "lemania movement" while it is NOT a lemania movement, its a seagull movement (copied venus 175).

Yeah, and synthetic sapphire means glass in their world. At least they're not making up stuff wholesale.

ps. From what I gather, the cheaper Daytonas on their site are possibly faux chronos or 21k Asian. The Asian 7750s are $550 and the swiss are inexplicably $1700.

[flavor flav]

that site does not sell asian reps! read the options. they have even italian panerais! the look like the nicest ones i've ever seen too

holy crap that's the most crooked BS i've ever seen!

[Pugwash]

holy crap that's the most crooked BS i've ever seen!

Yet Slay defends them. I wonder if he actually thinks they're not scamming or if he's just trolling to get a rise out of some of us. It's hard to tell, because when he trolls normally, he's highly entertaining and very funny.

[t]

paul and josh also advertise their watches with "lemania movement" while it is NOT a lemania movement, its a seagull movement (copied venus 175).

I was just saying, that the prices are not as steep as a lot of other replica sites. [censored]'s best-swiss shop (sells on TRC) has about the same prices

i agree with you Slay

i have bought so many SWISS MADE ETA UNITAS 6497 from our dealers... an not any is realy swiss made... and not any is realy ETA Unitas.

NEVER saw a ETA Unitas swiss 6497 with swans neck from anyone. But all dealers descripe it as "swiss eta unitas"

[flavor flav]

i agree with you Slay

i have bought so many SWISS MADE ETA UNITAS 6497 from our dealers... an not any is realy swiss made... and not any is realy ETA Unitas.

NEVER saw a ETA Unitas swiss 6497 with swans neck from anyone. But all dealers descripe it as "swiss eta unitas"

right they should label them ETA not "swis ETA" because they are not build in switzerland but made by a swiss company. and asian should keep it's name. "asian or ETA" not "asian or swiss"

[slay]

Yet Slay defends them. I wonder if he actually thinks they're not scamming or if he's just trolling to get a rise out of some of us. It's hard to tell, because when he trolls normally, he's highly entertaining and very funny.

I just said they are not scamming like best swiss, who charges 1000$ for a submariner or other sites that send you nothing.

Italian movement or asian movement, who gives a [censored] what they call it, I have bought watches from our dealers that were supposed to have sapphire (and had mineral), too.

They just provide those who dont know anything about watches with reps and while doiung that, they bend the truth a little bit. But they dont use pics of gens or the like

I dont care what you think, I never said I would buy from them, I just said their prices are reasonable!

[Pugwash]

They just provide those who dont know anything about watches with reps and while doiung that, they bend the truth a little bit. But they dont use pics of gens or the like

Sure they do. All the Omega pics are of gens.