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Today, gen Arsa for me, from the 40's

I have seen a few comments from guys on here regarding certain phrases used with PAMs. So I thought I would quickly write down some common words used with a VERY SIMPLE and brief explanation just to help those trying to get their head round this make. I am trying to do a write up separately on a brief history and basic changes in design since the Pre Vendome Era but hopefully that will follow. So here are some very simple explanations Pre V – Pre- Vendome : This is the time Officine Panerai were still a small watch making company before they were bought by Cartier who were later called The Vendome Group and now Richemont. Watches made at this time we call PreV’s (Up to and including 1995) A quick way of telling a PreV is there is no writing under the 6 of the dial Pre A – These are watches made during the transitional period (1996) of the purchase of OP by Cartier (Vendome). The design of watches were changing most notably the case and crown guard shape. A quick way of telling a Pre A is the writing under the 6, it says ‘T-Swiss-T’ A series – This was the first year of release (1997) where Vendome (no longer Cartier) was creating the start of the modern PAMs. A quick way of telling an A series is the writing under the 6, it says ‘T Swiss T’ B – G Series – (1998-2004) These watches followed the basic design of the A series watches but the Tritium lume was replaced by the Super Luminova lume A quick way of telling these series is the writing under the 6, it says ‘L Swiss L’ H series onwards – (2005 onwards) Vendome introduced the Historic design back into the model range, basically changes in the case and the crown guard shape. Of course there have been changes since then and there are variations to the above but in general terms the above serves as a simple guide. Millesimation – Very simply this is the identification numbers of the watch on the caseback. Since 1997 OP has used letters starting with A to designate the year of production. So, B series is 1998, C 1999 etc etc. These letters precede the serial number of the watch and the number of that model made in that year. Above this is the BB number and the OP number which refer to model reference/cases and OPs internal production numbers. Luminor – This original referred to the ingredient in the Tritium used by OP in the 1950s. However now it refers to the style of case and the type of watch. A luminor is a base watch with no seconds sub dial. Luminor Marina – This is a Luminor case with a seconds sub dial. Sausage dial – This is a dial where the lume to mark out the indices and numbers is applied on top of the dial like icing on a cake. Sandwich Dial – This is a 2 piece dial, a base and top dial. The lume is applied to the base and the top dial placed on top (Sandwiched) One Liner/ Two Liner/ Three Liner/ Four Liner - This refers to the number of words (inscriptions) listed on the dial eg: a dial with; Luminor, then below that; Panerai, then below that; Marina, then below that; Militare, is a four liner. This really relates to Vintage models but has been used to talk about later watches. CP – Cannion Pin: This is the pin that holds the hands in place. It is flat and polished. H1, H2, H3 refers to the height of the CP. On PreVs and PreAs the hands are lower (H1) on the later models it is higher (H3) <acronym title='Crown Guard'><acronym title='Crown Guard'>CG</acronym></acronym> – Crown Guard: This is the half moon shaped piece attached to the side of the case. It is designed to hold the crown in place by use of the lever and maintain water resistance at depths. There are 3 main shapes to these, PreV, PreA to G Series and H series on. The latter has 2 finishes brushed and polished. Destro - Means the <acronym title='Crown Guard'><acronym title='Crown Guard'>CG</acronym></acronym> is placed on the left side of the watch. For lefties, though original it was meant for divers to be able to wear their depth gauge/compass on their left wrist with the watch on the right. Logo – This is the OP brand Logo it is seen on the 5218-201a, 000, 005, 195. This logo is a tilted OP with an arrow pointing up and down. The arrows represent above and below ie; watches for below and above the water. Tritium – This is the lume used by OP in their early watches, though as it contains radioactive particles it was replaced with Luminova a safe yet strong luming compound. AR – Anti reflective coating put on crystal to prevent glare in sunlight. It is not on the early PAMs and the type and hue colour of the AR varies from model to model. SLOB - The first PAM prototype produced by Vendome, Solid Brass case coated in PVD, Dome Plexi Glass, Titanium crown, <acronym title='Crown Guard'><acronym title='Crown Guard'>CG</acronym></acronym> lever and CB (10 pieces) Fiddy – This is the nickname of the 127. Fiddy is US slang for fifty. The 127 has 1950 printed on its dial as an homage to its predecessor the vintage 6152/1. Radiomir – These are a different style of PAMs based on the very first military watch produced by OP in 1936. (Later reproduced as the California) The name comes from the ingredient put in the lume of those watches (Originally used on artillery gunsights) which later was replaced by the ingredient Luminor. It has a standard type crown (based on an old Rolex crown) and different case shape with lug wires. Slytechs – These are PAMs that carry the name of Slyvester Stallone who reignited interest in the PAM brand by having a PAM made for him for the film ‘Daylight’, several models carry his name and he is still very much associated with OP. Mare Nostrum - Designed for deck officers in early 1940s,totally different to any other PAM case, re-released version in 1994 but smaller with markered bezel then released as per the original in 2010. OP - Officine Panerai PAM - This is a simple abbreviation used by OP. PAnerai Model. MX - This is a Prefix code used by OP on their parts especially straps. It is also used a lot to describe a buckle with the OP logo on one side and Panerai on the other; it is a similar style to the PreV buckles. These are only sewn in type. PAV - Again this is a Prefix code used by OP in 2004 to designate left over PreV & SlyTech straps so they could be sold by the OP Boutiques. Now used as a bracelet Prefix code Tang - This is a shape on buckles similar to the PreV and are screw in and only have Panerai engraved on them. (24mm and 22mm) Thumbnail - These are rounded shape buckles that look like the tip of your thumb. Also known as Ardillon (22mm) Deployant - A butterfly clasp used to fix straps There are several designs of these for the 44mm, 40mm and Radiomir models. Boutique - A fully authorised / franchised dealer selling only PAMs. The official face of OP. Risti - A term used to describe a member of Paneristi (An officially recognised forum for anything PAM) Can also be used to describe any PAM Head. NOS - New Old Stock: A fair bit of PAM stuff turns up NOS. Basically brand new but sat in a drawer or on a shelf for a good while ! PIG - Its named after a manned torpedo used in WWII , The Italian name for their craft was Siluro a Lenta Corsa - Slow-running torpedo, but the Italians nicknamed it maiale which is Italian for "pig"; because it was difficult to steer. The Brits called thiers a Chariot. Strap Tubes (Tubes) - These are small metal tubes which are inserted into the straps, these maintain the shape of the strap shoulders and prevent over stressing of the case's lug bars when the watch is worn on the wrist by reducing friction and supporting the leather sheathing across the lug bar length. Guide to the various Panerai case styles/materials Radiomir Name: The Radiomir takes its name from “Radium”, the radioactive material originally used to make the dial readable at night. History: In 1938, the Italian Navy (also referred to as ‘Marina Militare’), commissioned Panerai to create a watch that would be waterproof while maintaining excellent readability – thus making the Radiomir, a 47mm watch with large hands and Arabic numerals. It is important to note that Rolex manufactured these watches for the Italian Navy up until 1956. Style: This case style has an unprotected crown and features a cushion-style case. Pay close attention to how the straps are mounted on Radiomirs; the lugs are based on early watches which were modified by attaching wire to either ends of a pocket watch – thus converting them to wristwatches. This detail looks nice and has some serious historical implications. The case style is generally considered to have a “dressy” look due to its slimmer nature (compared to the Luminor) and is loved for its historic role as the first professional diving watch and predecessor to the Luminor. Luminor Name: The Luminor takes its name from a tritium-based luminous substance, far safer than the Radiomir (Radium-based material) used previously. Panerai was granted its patent for the Luminor material in 1949, replacing the unstable Radiomir compound. History: The original Luminor design dates back to around 1950, when Panerai designed a highly unique and functional crown guard in an effort to improve their watches’ water resistance. These crown guards were trademarked as “device protecting the crown” – when the lever is in the closed position, it forced the crown into the case, providing an excellent seal against water and the elements. Style: Arguably the most iconic Panerai case style, the Luminors is typically what are thought of when “Panerai” is heard. Currently, there are 3 variants of the Luminor case style (disregarding size): Bettarini, 1950, and the 1950 “Vintage/Base”. All the Luminor case styles feature the iconic crown guard – making it totally different from other luxury watches on the market. The lugs are modern and more conventional. Straps are changed via a screw-in bar (not the commonly used spring-loaded bars), making straps easy to change while maintaining a sturdy form of attachment. Able to appear dressy and casual via strap changes, the bold and masculine look of the Luminor case became wildly popular thanks to its on-screen popularity with famous on-screen heroes (Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Statham, etc.) A look at the three Luminor case styles available: Bettarini Designed by Alessandro Bettarini (during the rebirth of Panerai) Regarded as the “father” of the Pre-Vendome design Luminors (44mm) Pioneered use of PVD on the watches, previously unavailable Case used on style like the PAM 000 Available in submersible form (PAM 024) 1950 Case used on styles like the PAM 312 Available in submersible form (PAM 243) 1950 “Vintage/Base” Case used on style like the PAM 372 Thinner, flatter lugs than 1950 Visible ridge on sides BB# & WR engraved on bottom of lug For a introduction to some characteristic PAM models based around the history of Officine Panerai, here is a pdf file showing some models and a breif description of thier appearance and influence in OPs history and increasing popularity. WT_Spotlight_Panerai_final.pdf

I just saw a new 8 day movement from the Turk.... I must say I am enjoying watching these reps of the IH movements getting better.... OK not great ..but so much better and more importantly it shiws that the future may hold something very special in rep terms of these IH movements ;)

finally my cali mille metri makes way for another build...

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DOH !! What a fool I am OK dont everyone join in !! Well theres your answer French post...

Well of course you like them Pete, that's affectionately known as the Nipple Dial.

I recently purchased an Omega Ploprof (Plop) (V1 I understand) in a M2M deal from another Forum. I had been advised that the dial would be too small for me as I am a 46/48mm kind of guy with just over 8 inch wrists and the advice was from someone whom is very knowledgeable and pretty much knows most things about such matters and in typical fashion I went straight in with my eyes wide open. So, with my 'Search' head on a really great Plop was advertised on the other Forum (I rarely go there, its all too pushy in comparison) and started emailing the owner and fellow collector/lover of watches. The watch was unmarked and had the very desirable Sharks tooth mesh and Omega deployant buckle but wasn't running right and needed some TLC or a service, possibly both. So an agreement was made and the watch paid for and duly shipped. Upon arrival I took the watch down to the case and cleaned and oiled the movement and put her back together. At the same time I refinished (tickled) the case and thoroughly cleaned the bracelet. The result I am delighted with and this Plop has not missed a beat in three weeks of rotation with several others. Most notably the watch wears really well with a great weight/feel (i might try the rubber Orange strap at some point) and the deployant buckle makes this the easiest adjusting strap I have ever known, in one of the pictures you will see the bar that simply depressed to provide tiny adjustments to loosen or reduce its length. In conclusion for all you guys on the fence, you've got to try this as it feels just right, very Retro, great weight and great wrist presence. Regards AJ

Pm me. I have someone. Depending what you need.

Muff diving.... I'm in !! I never knew bakelite could be clear.... I remember the bakelite phones and light switches etc ... but never seen it clear... I wonder if that dial has aged much in terms of colour... or is that pretty much the colour tone when new? Nice share mate..... I know you sweaty's wouldnt buy gold anything.... afterall you vcant fit it in your wallet and keep it closed !!! :)

Great news mate...let us know when you get it

remember if you up grade your membership you can get many more features and access much more info and advice...and of course you can post in the trade section too !! And if you go to the general discussion forum and look at this thread http://www.rwgforum....47-next-raffle/ You see there is a great incentive apart from the above to upgrade and its very cheap to do it and also you can do it monthly for just a couple of bucks

Man, that looks like a DOXA!!! Let's go diving!!!

Mark the KW version off your list. It has several visible issues. For starters, the cg lever pin is out of place (easily seen), case lug profile is visibly off and the case back too thin. KW 1950 case shape 44mm models are better, but the standard Luminor case sets not so much, and why ALE doesn't compare them as often with Noob and HF.

Strange -- in one of the Perfect Clones pics, the G and A are connected. And, for the love of God, 'ADJUSTE DTO FYE.' I want to shake these people. Still, tempted by this, despite the fact that it's on the pricier side. Would like to put it on a leather strap. Can anyone else weigh in?

Great build these cases are superb for the money.

i want to see alot more pics this build is insane imo

Looks good. But I don't do pre-sales. Patience is a great virtue in the rep world.

Difficult to see/photograph, but the etched crown contains an S -

Josh's definitely doesn't have AR when it arrives despite him and website saying it does

add my +1 for an AT super rep with the blue dial. tried on a gen -- and an hour vision blue -- at the omega store last week and fell in love. save for the $7k price tag.

I thought this could be usefull here also. I am an active REPGEEK member and not so active over here...neverless I wanted to share this with ya. This time a forum member contacted me for a repair, he made a pretty long scratch over his bezel The problem is the bezel scratch very very easilly and not everyone has the knowledge or the propper tools to replace a bezel. You need to remove the crystal for example, so a crystal press is bassicly a must have besides the other tools offcourse. The difficult thing is that you need find the correct grain for resanding and the fact the bezel is brushed in one direction. The crystal is lying a bit higher compared to the bezel so removing is neccesairy. Also the bezelscrews need to be removed because they are polished and we want to keep this that way. Just for the record I practice watchmaking for more then 4 years now so I am not a newbie in dissambling a watch or doing small repairs. I have swapped datewheels, replaced crystals, fixed keyless works etc etc. Most of the RG members know I am a trustable honest longtime member just sharing the same passion and practice watchmaking as a hobby. I have made some detailed pics to share... Let the journy begin.. WHEN PRESSING OUT THE CRYSTAL YOU NEED TO PRESS IT FROM THE OUTSIDE! WIPE IN A STRAIGHT LINE TO MAINTAIN THE ONE WAY GRAIN, REPEAT THIS FOR ABOUT 10 TIMES SOME EARLIER CAUSED SWIRLS ON THE POLISHED SIDE NEEDS TO BE POLISHED AWAY NOW BEWARE: WHEN PRESSING BACK THE CRYSTAL IN YOU NEED TO PRESS IT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BEZEL. THIS MEANS YOUR BEZEL IS LYING ON THE PLASTIC DICE RISKING TO BE SCRATCHED AGAIN. I USE SOME KITCHEN FOIL TO PREVENT THIS! LET'S HOPE HE IS HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT THANX FOR WATCHING.

BT you know what I think of you and posts like this thread (never mind the up date) prove my judgement correct. Well done my friend. Ken