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First of all a big thanks to Toro Bravo for a lightning fast delivery and smooth transaction. You can't go wrong with him and he is definitely on his way to being one of the best dealers throughout the boards. So here it is guys. My review and opinion on the new p3000 clone. I will not go into the watch itself because member Ale has done some very extensive research and has aded all the info to his 'panerai bible' so look it up. I will start with a short 'management summary' before I continue to the pictures. This movement is not based on an existing movement. It has 2 barrels and the movement design mimics the genuine p3000 design. It is however completely different. Genuine parts are absolutely not interchangeable. I have never taken apart a genuine p3000 so I can only go by internet pictures. If I would have to set my money on a manufacturer of the p3000 clone it would be the factory that produces the IWC Jones movement. In terms of finishing and design I get the same vibe. Besides both barrels the movement was oiled properly and clean. Parts were finished well according to rep standards. Some plating issues here and there and discolouration of metal. But when dealing with Chinese movements this is normal and it does not affect long term reliability. The p3000 clone was easy to take apart and is absolutely serviceable. Getting it back together is a different story. The gear train is extremely wobbly and the gear train plate very difficult to assemble. You need a special tweezer in order to reach all the gears and align them properly with the jewels. It was perhaps the hardest bridge I have ever had to install. Especially because spare parts are non existent. So if you break one little pivot say bye bye to the movement. Also because most jewel holes lay very deep it is almost impossible to see what you are doing when oiling them. Even with a 10x loupe you are almost working in the dark... But when finished this movement runs like a champ and I see no reason why it would be any less reliable than an 6497. I think this p3000 clone is on par. I can not yet comment of the power reserve as I immediately torn the movement apart to review but I suspect it will reach those 72h without a problem. The details: When I first saw the p3000 when it came out a couple of weeks ago I was very excited. The p9000 clones could not get my motor started as they did not clone any of it's functions. Only the aesthetics was looked after with some decorative plates. A pig in a dress or whatever you want to call it. But this new p3000 clone however was a whole different story. I could clearly see this was not based an existing movement (e.g. 7750/ 6497/2824 etc). So I did not hesitate and ordered one right away to review... Upon arrival I could not take my eyes from the back. The movement just looks gorgeous. Nice detail inside case back They even hid the ugly movement tabs underneath the pretty ones lol. Before taking the movement apart I put it on the timegrapher. It runs at 21.600 bph and the amplitude was ok but rate and beat were off. As this new movement has a free sprung balance (so I thought) I was a bit terrified as regulating it can be a b!tch. However upon closer inspection I noticed the rate stud hidden order the bridge. Thank god! That means the stellar screws on the balance are for show and this movement can be regulated like any other. Here you can see it more clearly with the decorative plate removed. An incabloc shock absorber which is also very reliable. Solid bridge and underside balance view. Clean "POL" engraving underneath the balance. No clue what it stands for. The oiled barrel jewels Look at the 3 layered dial!!!!!.... That will need a special canon pinion right? Huh?.. That is a deep hole. No special canon pinion but special hands. So forget replacing them.. Here you can see the base plate with the dial removed. Nicely finished and clean. No date option and a normal keyless which has some grease... Some part close ups.. Here is the barrel bridge removed. Nice and solid. The 2 barrels exposed The underside of the barrel bridge (I used foil with this movement as the brushed plates are prone to scratches) Barrel 1 (clean but not oiled) Barrel 2 (clean but not oiled) Here you can see both main springs. The barrel 2 mainspring is longer. Here is the gear train. Completely different than the gen p3000 with a aded pinion to transfer the power to the top of the movement: the canon pinion (= minute wheel) The pinion I'm talking about Other parts are also well finished Final shot on the timegrapher taken a hour ago after full service and regulation. Performing like a gen ... Here is a genuine p3000 (pictures from Google search) and you can see the similarities and differences in bridges and gears. Well that was all folks. Hope you liked the review. Based on my findings I would say the watch is definitely worth the extra $100. Although not a 100% the same in appearance and function as the p3000 it comes very close. Maybe the closest we will ever see? It is a reliable movement and it will give you that extra dimension of a genuine feeling. I'm still testing it so unfortunately I can not yet comment on the power reserve whether it actually is 72h. But I think it will come close. Tanks for reading Mark

106 Hours... Stil running at 237 amp and +60 s/day PS: I think the rate gain will stabilise after some winds and the oils are distributed over the main spring coils. Like I said before. It is normal for a movement to speed up when the amp decreases. This clone p3000 does that a bit more than usual but the freshly oiled barrels could cause some uneven power distribution. Will keep monitoring it but this is such a great!!!!!! movement.

Where the Sgt he would love this.

Great pic Sputim!

Pretty sure its one of my 1016 dials

Still honeymooning with 339

Awesome watch

Hi all, my Tag Heuer Grand Carrera Calibre 36 arrived me this week, i bought this from PT, and let me say Thanks PT for another great deal This is the first version of the Calibre36 rep and i am surprised by the quality of the watch, i have a little gen feeling All pushers and crowns working well and the chrono hands reset perfectly to zero. THE CASE - the Case is brushed and has polish edges as per the gen - dimensions are 43,5 x 19,5 (the first and the biggest flaw of the rep is the height the gen is only 14,5) - Crowns and Pusher looks good and works well - Case back with solid engravings as per the gen THE DIAL - the dial is very detailed and it looks awesome - only the very deep sunken date windows looks bad - i think not all dial fonts are 100% right THE BRACELET - quality is good but i think the edges are to sharp - Clasp works perfect i hope my english is not to bad here are the pics enjoy

Hello and welcome! Fellow swede reporting in

I think it is best we wait for the next versions to come out this is only their first attempt. Besides even if you were to correct the jewels which by itself is quite the job, there are still a few tells that scream REP staring with the gears and ending with the stepped balance pedestal on the main plate. As I've said before it is a very good start and with some machining, bigger jewels and geartran configuration changes if they wanted to they could get this movement vary vary close. Now it is just a matter of whether they want to or not, plus remember in order to justify the cost of R&D and the cost to produce these things the factories have to order large quantities so no one knows how many of these movements have been produced and I can guarantee you they will not just throw them away. This is a money game so it might be a while before we see ant changes done to this, hope I am wrong. I've always been one to wonder why they don't put out the prototypes to the people in the know it the rep community before they just flood the market with the things they think everyone will buy and have such obvious flaws. That said I am sure they are flying off the shelf. Rolexman the time keeping characteristics are not the best, there is a reason the gen has a different and almost opposed gear train configuration, that is most likely were smooth and consistent transfer on power is lost as it makes its way to the escapement. The other problem is not every rep owner can adjust their watch nor should they and definitely not all have a timegrapher. This needs further looking into once it reaches the general rep population we will know what the real deal is and how bad the time keeping characteristics of the movement is. Thanks and great write up, keep up the good work!!!!!

Hi Bobby, welcome aboard! cheers, J

Thanks buddy. Some PR answers. It is now surpassing the 80h power reserve which is phenomenal!! Here are some timegrapher pictures which show how the movement performs throughout the PR cycle. Personally I think the rate gain is a bit much. Some is normal by the decrease of amplitude. Causes for the rate gain can be plural but my guess is the design is flawed. They just added another barrel not caring about performance (throughout even power transfer). It gives a larger PR so who cares about time keeping.... That and a hair spring that is probably not very isochron due to a poor dog leg (technical stuff). Just remember if you want to wind this watch every 2 days to regulate it 30 seconds slow when fully wound. Then you will get a pretty accurate time keeping. Fully wound 24h 48h 72h

Hi there Bobby, welcome! Fellow "08" here, reporting for duty

Hello there, not from Sweden, but not too far away, I am in Finland

Ol' Speedy:

let me address .. swdivad as for being a so called d.i.c.k as you are referring to me as one !! maybe that's your reference after looking in the mirror !! this is a forum and regardless of question most can be answered will little or more research !! and going back to what the op question . yes its polish edge like gen and ti is not a hard marital and can be easily scratched and polish just like ss !! you are thinking of tungsten!!

My gen president is 24 years old. Today I build reps, for me and my customers. It doesn't make sense to buy a gen anymore. I buy rep daytona, and yachtmaster, and they look amazing. Many of my friends have those in gen. Honestly, for the price, why do I need a gen daytona and yachtmaster, mine look as good on the wrist as theirs do

I'm in

Belt The strap is made by master craftsman Jacob ( www.jacobstraps.com ), which after discussion accepted the challenge to make this belt. The strap is made of Cayman (Hornback), is a very unique and because of its difficulty, sometimes, you can only make a leather strap, hence the price, often exclusive and unique pieces, it is very difficult to find two skins with this part, which is bone. The interior, like the lining, are 1 ª quality cow In alligator brown colors available are gold, brown and black. To manufacture, Jacob currently uses the belt endlinks China. Authentic leather maintenance 1 - Watch your belt of spending time in the sun and rain. 2 - be careful not to apply chemicals such as acids and lubricants that can damage the texture and color of your belt. 3 - Keep in mind that this type of skin tends to darken naturally over time gradually, so if you polish with some substance to base oil and grease, the color will darken faster. 4 - If you want to clean you can with a cloth dampened with water and give to any pasta or other neutral oil-based substances, preferably natural or mineral that will not damage the skin and buff with a dry cloth. Thank you swallow this billet ... ... ... ... ... ... ..