freddy333

On 5/10/2021 at 5:44 PM, alligoat said:

Don't those little arrows on the back of the bracelet mean push pins?

I bought a couple of those many years ago & still have 1 of them around somewhere. I recall that they weigh less than the folded gens, but otherwise appear to be nice bracelets for the price.

If you are looking for the best price on a good watch & it is cheaper online, then buy online. Simple.
But if you are looking for the cheapest watch online, then you get what you pay for.

Taking your premise to the next level, I believe there are 2 types of watch collectors--those who only buy their grail watches if/when they find them cheap & those who find the best price on the grail watches they buy. The former tend to spend their entire lives looking, the latter owning.

Beater

On 5/2/2021 at 11:47 AM, robertk said:

Nice 'Graph! Never saw that 1 before. Well done.
 

Sadly, due to their widespread notoriety, any credible-looking Newman, especially in gold, is no longer a viable watch to wear -- really anywhere (& no, this 1 is NOT for sale). But as it has been many years since I posted her in a wristies, although I am wearing the usual 'Dweller today, I thought some might enjoy seeing goldie again.

1 hour ago, curiousbunny said:

Freddy... Do you always walk in public with a full wrist? You're scaring the Apple Watch kids.

A "full wrist"? Well, if Castro could do it...........

Everything scares the Apple watch kids.

On 3/9/2011 at 12:20 PM, Ray T said:

wow dead topic revival! i wonder what did happen to everyone's rose subs.

Since you asked............

In the dozen or so years since this thread began, I still LOVE, frequently wear & find this watch to be a perplexing enigma. It is the only watch I have ever come across in nearly 40 years of collecting that I cannot conclusively ID as either gen or franken.

Over the years, I have encountered a stream of gen Rose Tudor 7016s with solid provenances that caused me to vacillate my view of this watch back & forth. To date, I still cannot say, with ANY certainty, what we got? Were they gens or 25+ year-old frankens? The dials & casebacks are probably aftermarket. But am I prepared to put money on that? Nope! I just do not know? Then, as now, (with the possible exception of its original crown (which I replaced with a new 703 & tube), & even then?) the watch has the feel of a vintage Sub; not vintagized, but genuinely, & for the model's age, old--inside & out.

But, whatever they are, all who were fortunate to have been at the right place at the right time got the deal of the century.

Let's play spot-the-rep. From an arm's length, can you tell which is which?

You old-timers, who know the histories of these watches, please withhold your responses.

4 hours ago, alligoat said:

Submariner ROL245 watch, Cheap Submariner ROL245 watch online for sale (silix-prime.es)

There you go.
Thanks, alligoat!

Anyone that is aware of the correct bph for a gen 6542 & close enough to the watch to note the movement of the sweep seconds or gage the beat of the movement will undoubtedly detect the many obvious tells of a non-gen dial, handset, bezel, etc. So if you are able to find a slow-beat ETA, great. If not, I would not fuss over it since no one but you (& RWG) will know the difference.

On 4/26/2021 at 5:47 PM, curiousbunny said:

I notice the case are bit different. Did rolex have 2 versions?

There were minor dial variations &, as JoeyB mentioned, variations in perspex inserts--some flat-faced, some concave-faced & with at least 2 types of fonts, but I am not aware of any variations in 6542 cases.

Things may have changed since the last time I spent time going through the dealers' listings, but Silix used to have a 6538 rep that had a case similar to what you might need for an A6538 & it was reasonably priced. So you might start there for the case.

Generally, I have found that, when attempting to recreate rarer models (i.e., the A6538), you should factor in the likelihood of some Dremeling or shaping modifications in your plans. In some cases, you may be able to piece together multiple rep watches to assemble something close. But if you are as neurotic as most here, it will take some finagling to get things to fit/look right.

Most jewelry stores will be happy to engrave a caseback for you. At least, I have never run into one that refused to take the work. However, I would avoid those that sell Rolex for the obvious reasons.

I assume this is your goal, albeit in modern form:

one80: If your heart is set on a particular model & it has to be all gen, I would follow Nanuq's experience & deviate where necessary to end up with all gen parts. In that case, you may or may not live long enough to complete the project.
On the other hand, if your goal is to end up with a gen vintage Rolex model, set your sights on a more common vintage model like the 1680/5512/5513. There are many more gen parts for these later vintage models floating around at much more "reasonable" prices, which will make your search easier (i.e., less costly & time-consuming).

All gen except for the self-patina'd caseback (from Phong) --

Generally speaking, there is nothing in a 1036 GMT that cannot be replicated with standard machining, let alone CNC equipment. In fact, a properly CNC'd 1036 GMT would likely & easily outperform the original! So there is no reason, mechanically- or materially-speaking, that no one has yet rep'd a proper 6542 movement. Although, today, I think it would be prohibitively expensive & time-consuming to locate all of the parts to assemble a gen 1036 GMT out of NOS gen components, it could be done. As others have correctly stated, gone are the days when mere mortals were able (or could afford) to purchase gen Rolex components for "reasonable" prices.

On 4/21/2021 at 5:21 AM, curiousbunny said:

since china is communist...

A minor detail, but I think the CCP run China more like authoritarian capitalists rather than communists.

10 hours ago, Alan72 said:

Sent from my LYA-L09 using Tapatalk
 

Well done.
 

1 hour ago, one80 said:

I wonder if a 5512/5513 wouldn't be a little easier...

Yes & for a variety of reasons.

On 4/16/2021 at 10:21 PM, RickFlorida said:

Sorry I meant the tube that is part of the crown that holds the stem piston/clutch spring.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Unfortunately, I have never seen individual Rolex crown components for sale. I suspect this is because when the internals wear out, Rolex always replaces the entire crown/tube assembly.

15 hours ago, Ronin said:

@curiousbunny sounds like this is what you want. https://tempus-machina.com
Me too! 😃

Very interesting. I wonder how they are able to sell "Rolex" signed watches with Rolex movements & not get sued by Rolex?

The Man Making New Rolexes Old Again

It has been several years since I was active in Daytona projects (& things may have changed since then), but many people modded movements from el primero-powered Zeniths they found on ebay.
But with so many people building frankens & Daytona prices skyrocketing, I suspect it may be much easier just to get on a Daytona waiting list.

If there is another option, another member with more recent experience may chime in.

Rick - You can buy Swiss-made crown tubes from most of the watch parts houses (Ofrei, etc.)  & they are functionally, if not literally, the same as Rolex's. Same metal, same function, same lifespan & same feel.
Many watchmakers with Rolex parts accounts use them.

A good, clear pic taken outside at dusk (not in the dark) or in shade would be better, but I do not see anything here that, assuming the watch appears otherwise legit (i.e., it is not a brand-new looking 40 year-old Sub, etc.), would cause me to question the watch from an arm's length away (my benchmark). I would stop worrying about it & just enjoy it.....until/unless you come across a gen dial/handset (& have the cash to purchase).

10 hours ago, RickFlorida said:

Well the good news is that I didn't ruin the clutch spring by using heat. I just used force.  The bad news is that the larger tube completely sheared off and torn (is destroyed).  I don't think it was threaded in at all. I think it was soldered in or pressed in.  I am also not 100% sure this is a 703.  Is the 704 maybe soldered in?    The crown came on a very nice genuine 1520 rolex movement from a professional watchmaker.  But he used it as a "dummy crown" since the threads were bad.  I will have to buy a new crown now but at least the crown was already bad before I made it worse.

I have never seen a Rolex crown that was soldered or cemented together by the factory (the one in Switzerland). However, anything is possible in the hands of a (for profit) watchmaker.

9 hours ago, RickFlorida said:

what I really don't like about my Vietname 5513 dials is that in person, it is a little more blue or grey than black.   This is something I don't think I can fix without it being reprinted or just getting a new dial.   I don't think spraying matte varnish will make it look more black, correct?

Hard to tell without seeing the dial. Can you post a good, clear pic?

On 4/14/2021 at 1:22 PM, alligoat said:

LOL, freddy, I just saw that 93250 bracelet on your DRSD- I recall that you've got a 1575 movement in there. What's with the rep bracelet?

It's a actually franken-bracelet. I think I posted about this years ago, so apologies to those who already heard the story, but I was helping a friend replace a radiator and stupidly stuck my hand where it didn't belong while the engine was running. The fan caught & sheered one of the links right off my wrist. I caught the watch just before it got ground up in the blades or fanbelt/pulley. Fortunately, I was able to salvage the gen 580 end links and 93150 clasp & fit them to what you see in the pic. It is a miracle I did not lose the watch, not to mention my arm. Anyway, I wear this watch most of the time & the bracelet is so comfortable that I just sort of forgot about it over the years & never saw any reason to replace it.

There is actually an addendum to the story that I forgot about: About 10 years ago, I did bid on a replacement 93150 on ebay & came close to winning it. But, honestly, because all the parts that I actually manipulate (clasp & end links) on this bracelet are gens, I just could not rationalize spending $2,000+ to replace a bracelet that looks and feels the same as the one that I already had on the watch. So I let it go & just forgot about it.

1 hour ago, curiousbunny said:

Watchlume brand is cheaper, but not sure you'll like it. It's trusted on watchuseek.

I would avoid modern lume on a vintage watch. It SHOUTS fake!
While some vintage watches may have some glow left, none glow brightly 50+ years after they left the factory. When working on a vintage project, especially a Rolex sports watch, it is best to opt for no glow. It may not be as functional in the dark, but it will have more credibility in the light. Trust me on this.

Oh & here is a tip I learned many years ago the hard way - ignore the urge to try to replicate the minty 'left in the sock drawer' or 'never worn' look. I spent many years trying, unsuccessfully, to pull this off & never came close. Any vintage piece that looks new/unworn (regardless of the excuse) will engender suspicion. On the other hand, any watch that generally looks old overall can cover a few minor sins. Since no franken or rep is perfect, anything that reduces the likelihood of suspicious glances is a good thing. I know how tough it is to take a file or nail to that brand new (very expensive) MQ dial or Phong case, but once what I am saying sinks in & you are able to change your mindset, it all clicks into place. Once I realized this truism, life became much, much simpler, & vintage Rolex project watches appeared much more plausible.