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Personally, I don't buy a shirt and ask how much the company is making, and it's the same with watches, both replica or genuine. If someone has the contacts/ability to make some money from selling anything, then it's up to them, I say more power to 'em!

I own the gen of the black face smp, and the rep of the PO ( 45.5mm "ultimate" from Andrew ) The smp currently sits on my brother's wrist, while the PO hasn't been off mine since I got it, most likely because of the size (damn PAM 005 spoiled me lol ) Now! if i could just get hold of a gen speedie, i'l be happy, well for at least a week

tell ya what, first guy to release a 22mm rubber strap will make much cash.

Ultimate 45.5mm PO from Andrew/Josh, you'll be amazed at the quality.

Correct.

The "noobmariner" is a trademark of the dealer TTK.

There are more dealers that have the same watch in stock, but they don't call it "noobmariner" though.

personally, and its only my personal point of view, i love watches, all of them. I have a few reps and a little more genuines. The one thing that has struck this newbie is that the two i've bought from this board, a PAM 005, and a PO from Andrew, EASILY, at least to me compare more than favourably with the gens i own.As for the monetary aspect, i've bought a gen Tissot seastar for 20 quid, and it never fails to amaze me that a 36 yr old watch, when given a gentle shake just sparks into life.

before i answer, i'm a noob too, so forgive me if i'm wrong, i think "noobmariner" refers to the most popular rep, a Rolex Submariner, which seems to be requested most by noobs, hence " noobmariner" Hope this helps.

The OP must simply be an attention [censored]. May I suggest that the next time he intends to act like a [censored], that he borrows his boyfriend's dress? I wish to make no further comment as it only feeds the troll. *edit* I'm a noob here also, and have had (some) sense to read before joining in discussions that are way! beyond my current scope of knowledge regarding watches, perhaps the OP would consider taking this course of action too, or as a famous comedian once said " have a coke and a smile, and stfu"

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@bbob If I order an AMD 3200+ CPU then I can't demand what stepping I get. But if it says Barton Core or a certain kind of stepping right on the advert, then yes I would expect I get that.

And as for Dodge having VW engine... it would be nice if they said, but as long as they aren't saying "Dodge with Hemi" or something then stuffing a VW diesle in it's not the same either.

More analogus would be to have a Hyundai labled "Porsche Boxter Engine" and really it's just a cheap Korean engine.

@pollux it would be interesting to see... the thing is that from what I have seen "qualtiy" in Chinese factories is an interesting thing in that sometimes rather than hold the entire line up to a certain spec to get 95% yield at acceptable quality and scrapping the 5% crap, they work at a lower spec, get 60% yield at acceptable quality, but only pass that good stuff on to the contracting company but still come out ahead on cost. The crap... goes out the back door... quite possibly into reps... so you can't really say "quality from that plant" as you likely get high and low quality from the same plant.

He did say they have plants in Asia... and I would take his word over mine.

But I haven't found where it says that on their website (not denying, just haven't found) however I have found that their list of production centers does not list anything in Asia.

Also having production centers that create the entire movement in Asia would defy the "Swiss Made" rule set...

Bear in mind that having plants is not necessarily the same making the movements there... the plants might be responsible only for stamping out some portion of the parts or doing some minor assembly.

I'd love to know if the quality that comes from the Asian ETA plants ( assuming they actually do make the entire movement ) is on a par with their "Swiss made" counterparts, and again, if there is a difference in price with regards to the exact same movement?

It does in the Gen world... I think in the Rep world the Swiss tag is supposed to give a feeling of higher quality (ie actually Swiss) but in the Gen world I believe (and I may be wrong) that regardless of where the plants are that stamp the parts out, all ETA are Swiss made in the same way an item made entirely of parts from Japan but assembled in the US can be Made in USA.

Thus in the Gen world I believe you won't see "Asian ETA" your Swiss ETA might be 95% Asian made and something finished to make it Swiss made, but as far as I know you will never technically come across a Genuine ETA (from the ETA company) that is anything but "Swiss".

The original question being if Genuine Swiss ETA movements would be more expensive than Genuine Asian ETA movements... my thinking is there is no such thing as Genuine Asian ETA movement...

I could be wrong on any of that, but it's what I have in my head from what I have read...

@ devedander, didn't ZZ just say that ETA had factories making movements outside Switzerland?

But I thought the company ETA finished/assembled/something or other that allows them to mark them all as swiss made... thus making all Genuine ETA movements technically Swiss...

Ergo, if I produced a Seagull movement in Switzerland, I would have the right to call it Swiss. Doesn't this at least in a small way negate the "Swiss" tag?

I don't think there is such a thing as a Genuine Asian ETA... ETA is a Swiss company... if it's a Genuine ETA I would think it comes from that company in Switzerland...

I've read here on this board that ETA also has manufacturing plants outside Switzerland, perhaps i'm wrong ( wouldn't be the first time )

just a small point, and far be it for a noob to join in such a discussion..... can anyone tell me if genuine Swiss ETA movements is more expensive to buy than Asian genuine ETA movements, assuming that all parts and manufacturing processes are the same? ( I'm assuming they are btw )

I love the Oris, if it was to be reproduced I would be one of the first to purchase.

LOL at ryyannon! personally i do love photography, completely immersed myself when i was eighteen and learnt from the ground up ( where else? ) Currently i own a Nikon d100, and an old f801 and f301 which i can't part with, even though cs/2 rocks! I love kayaking , hill walking ( I live in Northern Ireland, no true mountains here lol ) reading, writing poetry ( if you knew me, you'd know this is quite idiosyncratic ) I love motorbikes, i currently own a cbr600 fs sports, and adore sailing, i plan to buy a new sloop in January/February time, and of course my six children and the missus! Phew!

Congratulations RBJ! I can just about remember the watch I was wearing, I had just returned from a long holiday in Birmingham, Alabama. Whilst there I bought a little Timex indiglo ( don't laugh, I was young and foolish, of course the latter is still apt ) When I asked my Wife to marry me.

Eleven years, and six angelic children later, I wish I could find that wee Timex,

The look on my childrens' faces on Christmas morning makes all the shopping trips, the agony of standing in ladies boutiques while my better half decides what goes with what , all worthwhile. there isn't a watch, nor any possession in the world that could ever bring the joy that my bairns bring. Merry christmas, Joyeux Noel, happy hanukkah, and whatever else serves as greetings to all of my fellow men and women at this time of year.

Thank you ken and Pho, i'll take it to a local watchmaker, it'll save me from ruining such a nice watch.

I'll definitely be buying a 22mm strap if one becomes available.

hi all, i've just purchased an ultimate Po from Andrew, it's flawless to be honest! can anyone advise how to remove one link from the bracelet? it's pins not screws. Also, my next buys will be a s/s bracelet for my Panerai ( no probs there ) then an Ingenieur, and after that hopefully an Omega speedmaster moonwatch, is there a speedmaster which is close to the gen? And finally, does anyone know if or when the new ingenieurs will be released and will they have the dial chip and bracelet weakness sorted? Sorry for so many questions, and thanks for taking the time to read and answer.

I have three daughters and three sons. My boys look like me when i was younger, and thankfully the girls all look like their mother ps, i'm quite surprised so many of the forum members have large families, i'm Irish so i have an excuse!

I saw a Bulova watch advertised a few weeks ago, http://goldspeed.com/Goldspeed/en_GB/Stand...WHZYN77V7gLMJ4= , and have NO idea about the quality of them, but they were immensely cheap, might be worth a look? *edit* link may not work, just google "bulova watches"

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