Well I bought a Trevor time ceramic sub and I've been happy with it, one thing, one thing that's awful is that no one has managed to get the super case right, the kids are too thin and the solid end links no where near resemble the gen, if they could get these things right then you'd have something that could pass for gen, but go with Trevor time for great prices and good service, oh and he's a trusted dealer, at the moment in staying with him because I'm just a noob myself