Well mixed feelings here, these watches have ETA 2836 2 and truly AWESOME dials and I mean Ive looked at them with my 4x magnifying glass no flaws at all extremely sharp. I guess I have to take back the previous rant about how all rolex dials suck. Now the part that sucks they have case holes totally incorrect for a 2005 model. Normally I wouldn't care but they've change the II on the dial to ll. So I guess you win some and loose some more