HaydenM

Well I think there is a growing number of Muslims both in the West and in majority Muslim countries who are openly saying this behaviour is not something they can condone or see as compatible with Islam. 
 
The figures of arrests every day in in the U.K., show that pulling them for acting on thoughts of terrorist activity are working. We haven't seen anywhere near a terrorist attack every day, in fact the authorities have been expecting one for two years. Generally it is computer surveillance that gets them often before their radicalisation is complete. On a number of occasions it has been the Muslim community or even their own families that have given them up to the authorities. On the other hand a policy of arresting and questioning people for being Muslim and of brown skin tone will only lead to mass alienation and drive willing recruits into the hands of these manipulative scum. We need to target the core of these terrorist groups and I'm all for using extreme prejudice there. On the edges of sympathy a hearts and mind approach will bring better results.
 
I would urge everyone that if you see a person of different ethnicity to yourself on the street or cueing to be served, smile, maybe say hello or nice day. It will not change the mind of a terrorist, but it might just make someone feel less invisible and more included. Hell why even bother with ethnicity, let's just be nice to each other and demonstrate that our way is better.

 
On the clear understanding that this is nothing more that an interesting way to spend a coffee break, that I bear no malice against you or anyone else who disagrees with me. I long ago got used to being in a minority of one on many subjects. I will respond.
 
I will accept your figures for the moment, though I believe that while one can reasonably argue any position in a discussion, facts should be established as such and statics are easily manipulated, so perhaps we should always question how objectively statics were gathered. My philosophy tutor told us to question everything, perhaps unsurprisingly I was the only one that asked why.
 
The figures you quote are indeed alarming, yet let's look a little further. For many year science believed the adolescent brain to be essentially an adult one. Yet many parents over many generations have felt there was something seriously wrong with their children during this time period. Recent breakthroughs in neuroscience and neurology have revealed that the teen years encompass a vitality important stage of brain development. The adolescent brain undergoes among other things a period of "housekeeping" where redundant neural pathways are deleted. Furthermore synapses in a healthy adult brain which much like wiring, carry electrical charges and need insulating. In the brain a fatty substance called myelin fills that requirement. This is created over time taking many years. The process starts at the back of the brain and slowly moves forward meaning the frontal and pre frontal cortices are the last beneficiaries. These are strongly connected with insight, empathy and risk taking. The results are time honoured complaints against adolescents of untidiness, disorganisation, seeking of novelty, self discovery and of relevance here, mood swings, risk taking and aggression.
 
All of the above is a long winded way of saying, if teenagers are giving alarming answers on surveys perhaps it is because they are immature, prone to giving answers that are aimed at getting a rise out of the questioner, generally more disposed to knee jerk reactions, violence and feeling alienated than older adults. I was by my own admission bat [censored] crazy as a young man, and also given to resorting to violence much more quickly than I would now, both on a personal level and advocating it as a solution to world problems. Currently the scum we are dealing with are largely from Muslim backgrounds, yet there are still other groups waging terror who are not Muslim. When I was young, we had the Red Brigade, Baader Mienhof, Basque Separatists and our British problem of the IRA. If the younger me had been asked about dealing with the IRA, the answer might well have involved strafe bombing the whole of Ireland and adding it the British fishing rights. Such is the nature of young men.
 
Add to this that many young feel sidelined from society as do many Muslims, so if you are young and Muslim you carry a double load. 
 
In short if they say they support X, Y and Z, shrug and shake your head knowing that is how young people act. On the other hand if they actually act on these thoughts, then they should face criminal charges and in fact there is currently an arrest every day on terror related charges in the U.K. Many of those arrested can be and are reformed into reasonable citizens. Others, the more hard line need removing from society.

I put aside the things I know about doing research on crime and Islamic terrorism (15 years have passed and my life has taken me far away from these bad things). What I'm saying (from a country where there is political terrorism and organized crime) I just say that there are obscure things in all men. Can be money, a beautiful woman, can be the football team, can be politics, can be religion but it is just the excuse to kill. It is not the money, not the women's fault, it is not the fault of football, it is not the fault of politics or religion. Some people would kill so any reason could serve to justify bad action. But this is only my point of view and not the universal truth.

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for my point of view the problem is the human factor, not the religion for it's self. Only a tragic mix in the life of good people and bad people in the same place, like a serial killer that walk same street close to other innocent people.

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I most certainly agree that it is not all Muslims. One of the people with whom I live is only a recent apostate but to say that it is only a few vermin is a gross under representation of the amount who justify their actions. I believe it was pew polls which places it at 20% of British Muslims believe that suicide bombing against the kaffir is justifiable, and the numbers get worse when looking at younger generations. 1 in 5 Muslims in the U.K. Thought the 7/7 bombings were justified while 31% of British young Muslims thought they were justified.
In Austria 1 in 5 Australian Muslims believe the death penalty should apply to apostasy, 25% in the US think that violence is justified for blasphemy and offending the Islamic faith.

I 100% accept that it is not a problem of 1.6 billion people. Many, especially in the west are Muslim effectively in name only but when 20+% of those living in the west hold imho disgusting views as to what should be done to the kaffir the problem is not "a few thousand vermin" it's many thousands of vermin and even more who will not be vermin, but will be happy when vermin do what vermin do.


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I've currently got a rather limited budget but I don't think that my taste has overly changed. All of the reps I have purchased / built so far were in the rolex / tudor family. Only way my tastes have changed is that I very much prefer smaller watches after starting with the Tudor BB and now mainly either wearing a 40mm rolex (16610 or 1675) or a 36mm 1016.

Though I've no doubt that my tastes will change somewhat when I've a bit more disposable income to experiment with different watch brands.

2 hours ago, Mike on a bike said:

This has happened before it will happen again.

  

 Of course with different players and vehicles and I use vehicle as the Nazi's were not religious per say but conducted genocide to a hellish extent. I will give you religion is the vehicle of choice most of the time. ( and no diesel religion ain't going away yet so that's out) But no point looking back at all nor to far forward for the next one.  So let us be the pragmatist we are, how to we stop this one?

 

 Don't think the turning the other cheek gonna help.............. no that's out, you send your kid to the next concert they are going to blow up, I think not. OK cheek thing out the window.

 

  We could go old testament on it eye for eye sort of deal sure the SAS could go in and kill a whole bunch of ISIS guys here and there around the world. I'm sure if you talk to a few families who lost little ones they would be all for it. If it were my kid I'd sign up to do it myself and don't take the high road bull with me here if it were yours' you would. (or at least you should) Doubt that gonna happen to bad to would not do much good long term(to small scale) but surely send a message. You know the French sent fighters over after attacks on them to blow up the bad guys they got it done, it did not stop.

 

  Then again we could go on fighting as we are now with one hand tied behind our backs feeding the military industrial complex. (they love this [censored] , you know this) We are basically funding both sides, with tax dollar on one and petrol dollars for the other. This sucks but it is what we are doing now, have no doubt.

 

 You see this problem is complex the causes are irrelevant: who drew the map of the middle east after WWI, no opportunities for Arab youth, whatever doesn't really matter, how are we going to stop this one is the question.

 

Now the high minded discussions of this thread have made be proud to counted among you, but we got a big problem here gents and going back and forth over the merits of having or not having religion ain't gonna get'r done. Neither is the peaceful coexistence of multiple religions in your little world, it ain't working out side of it.  Blow up kids at a concert, case and point.

 

Did I miss something? Do you have a a plan/scenario I missed , I'm all ears..................

 

 

The difference being that in WW2 the people had no qualms saying that the problem was germans. The UK has a modern history of suppressing justice for fear of being called "racist" for investigating adherents to a religion, just look at Rotherham, 1400 young girls and it was known about for years but the police did not want to be called racist. The current status quo is not working, but national newspapers like the independent and mayors like Kahn say that the British people need to accept that the masses of people with a frankly disgusting ideology that the political and financial elite have brought in for decades will try to kill you, the same thing has been said in France. Well I can't say I'm sorry to Kahn to say that young girls being slaughtered should not be "part and parcel" of life in the west, we're better than that. 
Though I myself am certainly not religious and advocate against many of its tenets I accept as a rational pragmatist that it's not going anywhere, but I have yet to see buddhists blow up the tube or sikhs bow down people on the streets of London. Not all religions are equal.

 
 
IMHO it's insanity of the same sort.
 
If you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden you're a nutter. If you believe Jesus was the son of a virgin and his father father was 'God' you're a good Christian.... It beggars belief!

An entirely different magnitude granted, but both violate the right to life of others 

Very sad to see the death of a great man and one of the great Bonds. A loss for the world.

I hear you brother, but I wouldn't give these scum the legitimacy of religion. The prisons are full of people who heard God tell them to do it, nobody takes their statements seriously. They are murdering scum who are mentally abnormal and whom society needs protecting from, so are this lot.

Come on [mention=41328]HaydenM[/mention], if you know that share.
Who makes the best Sub?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Runs away laughing.

HaydenM no apology needed and please accept mine in return if my response caused any ill feeling.
Many thanks again to you and Sogeha...your guidance is truly appreciated and I'm now impatiently waiting the courier :-)
 
 

Apologies to @First timer if I came off a little brash, no insult was intended and I've no issue with questions (trust me, I have damn well asked enough in my time here and very very much continue to do so haha), just took issue with the sites used to gain that more than of you having been caught out by them. I also look forward to hearing of your first review (just remember to post pics  ) and I assure no wrath haha. 

Best of luck with your purchase for PT, I've not dealt with them yet but they're one of the old dogs around here so should be fine, just remember that everything's on china time and you may be waiting a little while haha.

Now welcome to the insanity of this addiction we are all afflicted with.

10 minutes ago, First timer said:

Morning Gents

 

some examples below;

yep perfectclones can not be trusted i never had my watch.and i did pay for it......
scumbags had contact with joshua but any watch i ordered was out of order...
so be wise and never place a order with this company... on sitejabber

 

WARNING FOR SCAMMER "JOSHUA" OR "JOSH" FROM PERFECT CLONES.

perfect88clones@gmail.com is his email address...on ripoffreport....what worried me was on this forum I have read a thread re someone bemoaning pc and Josh and the email address the thread advised was the genuine email (and therefore a good way to check authenticity of site) is the same as listed in this extract of the complaint

 

Hi,

i bought watches from a website earlier called http://www.p-cls.com (also called Perfect Clones), today the website has changed name to http://www.pf-818.com. They are changing name frequently. The owner calls himself "Josh" or "Joshua". This person is a big time scammer, a real [censored]. Over the last 5 years I have done business over the internet, this is the lowest creep I have ever encountered.

 

I could go on but you get the gist.......

 

Thank you for the responses and suggestions of trusted sites!!

Couple of probably stupid questions, but here goes if you don't mind;

PayPal gets mentioned as a safe payment option (obviously) but I don't see that option available on any of the web sites I have visited. Puretime03 is offering credit card - having ordered from these sites can I ask which payment method you would suggest I use? Credit card or contact seller and request PayPal - is this possible?

Where can you take a fake watch and get it serviced? I assume you either have very good knowledge personally or a friendly jeweller?

 

Thanks again for the feedback and great forum

 

 

 

You could go on and probably should. I've only had marginal dealings with Josh personally but the trusting of sites like SiteJabber for something like this is frankly moronic. The process of buying a rep is different from purchasing almost anything online as we must accept given the legal area in which this hobby is operated. There are plenty of noobs that expect to get a gen watch for <10% of the price in a process akin to ebay or amazon and then get huffy at the TD because of their own ignorance. No TD is perfect but trusting sites like you have to get any semblance of an accurate picture is daft.

Some TDs accept PP but it's fewer and fewer, especially for newbs as they are too high risk for little reward. 

Where you are depends where you can find a watchsmith, throughout the many rep fora you'll find plenty of lists based upon location.

EDIT: Yeah, SiteJabber appears to be worthless. I've dealt with Andrew numerous times without issue as many have and he has a 0% rating. The site is angry noobs with overly high expectations.

2 hours ago, First timer said:

Hi Sogeha

 

Thanks for the useful reply!

I had already found the pf-818.com site but was hoping that was not the trusted site as there are so many negative reviews - hence my question.

I am taking your recommendation and ordering from Puretime03

 

Having sent hours reading articles and reviews and blogs on this site this seems a bit of a minefield if you;

a.

Where are you reading these negative reviews? Personally I've always dealt with trusty as opposed to perfect but both have been around for eons so surprises me that you see many negative reviews.

Hmmm... Would I like to purchase a brand new car or a 1 gram piece of aluminium worth about $2? That a very tough choice  

"Okay, well down the rabbit hole it seems like I am going, would something like this be superior with the metal dies?"
 
It looks better, notice it is hand held without a base.  One with a base is easier to work with but it should be Ok.  When mounting crystals with magnifiers, be sure the die is deep enough so that it will not be pushing on the magnifier lens.  If the die hits the magnifier you can drill a hole in the die where it hits to make room for the lens. 
 

Just now, calvin951121 said:

Many thanks for the link but out of stock (crying)


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Bugger, I missed that. Maybe shoot raffles a message and see when he'll get them back. 

11 hours ago, calvin951121 said:

Most cartel 1675 case back are wrong. Should be flat with brush!
Should source a gen-like case back.
I am finding one for mine, tell me if you found!


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Already did that "mod" ages ago. 

Pretty sure it was this back from Rafflestime that I replaced it with: 
http://rafflestime.com/submariner-watch-case-back/

Okay, well down the rabbit hole it seems like I am going, would something like this be superior with the metal dies?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Watch-Back-Case-Press-Kit-Set-Closer-11-Dies-Watchmaker-Repair-Plastic-Crystal-/132157784461?hash=item1ec537c18d:g:FdkAAOSwAANY7xpP

I don't need to worry about any front removal stuff as it's a rolex 1675 rep, so I'll have easy access through the caseback.

1 minute ago, mymanmatt said:

You will need something to support the back when you press the crystal down. That should be all you need. Be sure the retainer is correct size or you could crack the crystal. Good luck

So just checking, a cheap press should be adequate? 

Almost done with fixing my 1675 up.

Hi all,

I'm currently in the process of fixing up my 1675 and the next thing to be fixed is the crystal. I have ordered what I believe to be the correct crystal for the watch and now am just waiting for it to make the long trip down under. I have not had to install a crystal yet in my watch exploits and was wondering how to best go about it. 
 

Although I acknowledge this is obviously cheap would something like this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Watch-Crystal-Back-Press-Opener-Case-12-Dies-Watchmaker-Replacement-Tool-Kit/252844298694
be adequate to install the crystal. I would prefer not to get too deep into the purchase of a tool I will honestly use only a handful of times no doubt.

Are there any other parts I need to pick up besides the crystal and the crystal press? Any glues?

Thank-you all in advance for any help


-HaydenM

Wearing my 1675 for the first time in ages, the GMT hand is already annoying me so looks like I'm going to have to pull it apart when I have time