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I'm having the exact same issue right now. Foreign Acceptance = 2 weeks ago Neither of the sites have been updated. (EMS or USPS) What ended up happening with your parcel?

Good point. Why not just get one and count on replacing it with a new asain 7750 whenever it dies? How much are those anyway.... and how difficult is it to do the 1:1 swap? Good questions...

Hey guys, I've got a new DJ on the way and because I'm always so disappointed with the cheap bands that ship on most reps, I'm already looking to find a replacement. So I have two questions... 1) Is the jubilee bracelet that is currently shipping with DJ's of any decent quality? 2) What would be a good replacement (if I don't want to find a gen/used gen)? -I found a site that looks as if it sells some high quality stuff... but you can't ever be sure... any one know about: http://www.thewatchprince.com/s.nl/it.A/id.784/.f -$195 seems a bit steep.... -other places sell "seiko" jubilee bands. Thanks in advance, I certainly value the advice of all you experts out there.

Well said Neil! HAHA! That is exactly what happened.

Well since he's deleted his message... I suppose I should apologize for taking his watch. My boss was watching....

AWESOME - A superb cinematic experience! 2 thumbs up.

The difference? $150.00

Yes - but how do you know which to buy? Green/Blue/Yellow/Gold? I will buy one but I'm not sure which will fit my rep - since reps don't have the color coded dot.

Okay - I hope I don't have to spell out the inconsistency in these two sentences.

I second that - awfully suspicious. Given the improper grammar and uncommon phrases, I'd be willing to bet they are from mainland China.

Color me confused....

If they don't implement the restrictions to remedy the problem then that will cause to wonder where their allegiance lies. I mean, why wouldn't they want to protect the user base? The only reason I think of would be that they are "in bed" with the dealers. Perhaps the dealers give a kickback or something to the board admins.

I may be new here... but you just joined today. In fact, I think it is awfully suspicious that you joined today and your only two posts are in defense of the dealers on this thread - methinks you may be a dealer in a users clothing.

The severity of the crimes may not be equal but the analogy is still accurate. I said that using his rationale, no one should ever be punished for anything because people make mistakes.

Good call.

Well isn't that great? A mistake was made... it hasn't been fixed or addressed and yet you want to move on to a new day. Using your rationale we should let murderers and child molesters free because they make mistakes. The time to prove integrity has passed and the evidence weighs against the "cartel."

TTK - You're absolutely right. I wasn't talking about you - I was talking about the chinese dropshippers. You do take a risk - but those who manufacture them severely overstate theirs.

Yes - but the majority of responders in your thread seemed to conclude that the dealers should make such profits because they have lots of "RISK". This couldn't be farther from the truth. The very existence of such a plentiful counterfeit market in China is evidence that the Chinese government doesn't enforce the trademark/copyright laws. Check this out: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/...ain595875.shtml They are even counterfeiting golf clubs and Mercedes Benz! From the article:

What risks? HAH! They very existence of such a plentiful counterfeit market in China is evidence that the Chinese government doesn't enforce the trademark/copyright laws. Check this out: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/...ain595875.shtml They are even counterfeiting golf clubs and Mercedes Benz! From the article:

No - I apologize, I tried to delete this one but I don't think I have the ability because I haven't paid via paypal (the subscription price). I posted in the other threads because it was directly relevant to the RWI discussion started (just as here) by Edge.

I lifted this quote from RWI but it bears repeating here. The information about the value of money in China is especially illuminating. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to say that as a relative newcomer to the Darkside, reading this thread has made me very unsure that I want to continue purchasing from any of the cartel members. Now, I have already known that the dropshippers are cause for some concern (because they don't even see the product they are selling), and for that reason I have gone with people like Ruby who will send me exact photos of the watch that will be shipped. There are good dealers out there... but I think the overwhelming weight of the evidence suggests that it is not a good idea to continue supporting the "Big 4". Start voting with your dollars and use the other dealers. I've heard others saying that they tolerate deliberate misrepresentations regarding the quality of goods because "this is an illegal business." So they continue to purchase to satisfy their habit and to appease the dealers. This is so irrational that I wonder if these people aren't just "shills" for the dealers - what if the people making these sorts of comments are in fact the dealers themselves? I wouldn't put it past dealers to have multiple user names. With multiple accounts, a dealer could make some comments on a thread like this without fear of having their comments disregarded as being self-serving. They may be the source of dissension in the ranks. At any rate, the real problem with the "I'll accept lying because this is illegal" argument is that there must be honor among thieves. Dealers depend (as all businesses do) on repeat business and word of mouth. If you make it known that you will stop referring people to them and that you will stop purchasing from them - they will have to react. Remember that these things come from China - $200 is a lot of money in China. In fact, $200 is $58 more THAN AN ENTIRE MONTH'S WAGES for the average CHINESE UNIVERSITY GRADUATE! Worse, the people involved with manufacturing these watches are not even university graduates! You are getting ripped off! (see here) Salary info: http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp...;story_id=12004 Valuation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1...G=Google+Search AVOID DROPSHIPPERS LIKE THE PLAGUE. You will note that that TTK, Pug, and various other senior members have said the same. Newcomers would be wise to heed their advice.

I lifted this quote from RWI - it bears repeating here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to say that as a relative newcomer to the Darkside, reading this thread has made me very unsure that I want to continue purchasing from any of the cartel members. Now, I have already known that the dropshippers are cause for some concern (because they don't even see the product they are selling), and for that reason I have gone with people like Ruby who will send me exact photos of the watch that will be shipped. There are good dealers out there... but I think the overwhelming weight of the evidence suggests that it is not a good idea to continue supporting the "Big 4". Start voting with your dollars and use the other dealers. I've heard others saying that they tolerate deliberate misrepresentations regarding the quality of goods because "this is an illegal business." So they continue to purchase to satisfy their habit and to appease the dealers. This is so irrational that I wonder if these people aren't just "shills" for the dealers - what if the people making these sorts of comments are in fact the dealers themselves? I wouldn't put it past dealers to have multiple user names. With multiple accounts, a dealer could make some comments on a thread like this without fear of having their comments disregarded as being self-serving. They may be the source of dissension in the ranks. At any rate, the real problem with the "I'll accept lying because this is illegal" argument is that there must be honor among thieves. Dealers depend (as all businesses do) on repeat business and word of mouth. If you make it known that you will stop referring people to them and that you will stop purchasing from them - they will have to react. Remember that these things come from China - $200 is a lot of money in China. In fact, $200 is $58 more THAN AN ENTIRE MONTH'S WAGES for the average CHINESE UNIVERSITY GRADUATE! Worse, the people involved with manufacturing these watches are not even university graduates! You are getting ripped off! (see here) Salary info: http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp...;story_id=12004 Valuation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1...G=Google+Search AVOID DROPSHIPPERS LIKE THE PLAGUE. You will note that that TTK, Pug, and various other senior members have said the same. Newcomers would be wise to heed their advice.

I posted this in another topic but I think this is better placed here - it was taken from the RWI topic on the same discussion. What the guys says about the price is the most impressing thing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to say that as a relative newcomer to the Darkside, reading this thread has made me very unsure that I want to continue purchasing from any of the cartel members. Now, I have already known that the dropshippers are cause for some concern (because they don't even see the product they are selling), and for that reason I have gone with people like Ruby who will send me exact photos of the watch that will be shipped. There are good dealers out there... but I think the overwhelming weight of the evidence suggests that it is not a good idea to continue supporting the "Big 4". Start voting with your dollars and use the other dealers. I've heard others saying that they tolerate deliberate misrepresentations regarding the quality of goods because "this is an illegal business." So they continue to purchase to satisfy their habit and to appease the dealers. This is so irrational that I wonder if these people aren't just "shills" for the dealers - what if the people making these sorts of comments are in fact the dealers themselves? I wouldn't put it past dealers to have multiple user names. With multiple accounts, a dealer could make some comments on a thread like this without fear of having their comments disregarded as being self-serving. They may be the source of dissension in the ranks. At any rate, the real problem with the "I'll accept lying because this is illegal" argument is that there must be honor among thieves. Dealers depend (as all businesses do) on repeat business and word of mouth. If you make it known that you will stop referring people to them and that you will stop purchasing from them - they will have to react. Remember that these things come from China - $200 is a lot of money in China. In fact, $200 is $58 more THAN AN ENTIRE MONTH'S WAGES for the average CHINESE UNIVERSITY GRADUATE! Worse, the people involved with manufacturing these watches are not even university graduates! You are getting ripped off! (see here) Salary info: http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp...;story_id=12004 Valuation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1...G=Google+Search AVOID DROPSHIPPERS LIKE THE PLAGUE. You will note that that TTK, Pug, and various other senior members have said the same. Newcomers would be wise to heed their advice.

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic....asc&start=0 I thought that there was one particularly well stated post in response: I have to say that as a relative newcomer to the Darkside, reading this thread has made me very unsure that I want to continue purchasing from any of the cartel members. Now, I have already known that the dropshippers are cause for some concern (because they don't even see the product they are selling), and for that reason I have gone with people like Ruby who will send me exact photos of the watch that will be shipped. There are good dealers out there... but I think the overwhelming weight of the evidence suggests that it is not a good idea to continue supporting the "Big 4". Start voting with your dollars and use the other dealers. I've heard others saying that they tolerate deliberate misrepresentations regarding the quality of goods because "this is an illegal business." So they continue to purchase to satisfy their habit and to appease the dealers. This is so irrational that I wonder if these people aren't just "shills" for the dealers - what if the people making these sorts of comments are in fact the dealers themselves? I wouldn't put it past dealers to have multiple user names. With multiple accounts, a dealer could make some comments on a thread like this without fear of having their comments disregarded as being self-serving. They may be the source of dissension in the ranks. At any rate, the real problem with the "I'll accept lying because this is illegal" argument is that there must be honor among thieves. Dealers depend (as all businesses do) on repeat business and word of mouth. If you make it known that you will stop referring people to them and that you will stop purchasing from them - they will have to react. Remember that these things come from China - $200 is a lot of money in China. In fact, $200 is $58 more THAN AN ENTIRE MONTH'S WAGES for the average CHINESE UNIVERSITY GRADUATE! Worse, the people involved with manufacturing these watches are not even university graduates! You are getting ripped off! (see here) Salary info: http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp...;story_id=12004 Valuation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1...G=Google+Search AVOID DROPSHIPPERS LIKE THE PLAGUE. You will note that that TTK, Pug, and various other senior members have said the same. Newcomers would be wise to heed their advice.

Howdy all, I received a PAM rep that has a polished case with a brush crown guard. The dealer is trying to tell me that this is how the gens are... what do you think? Seems far fetched to me. Ben