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Ask Kevin for his costs and then you get tears in your eyes...

but this case is the best start for 3646-project at the moment.

as Stephan stated there are differences in shape (case) and high of bezel, cause of the different highs of the dials nonsandwich for cali and sandwich for the later ones.

and this is the most important fact EVERY case looks a little different:

(gen pics found in the net)

And here is mine from Stephan, compare:

Thanks for looking and happy new year

Helmut

I think you love your 127...

seems they got lot of wearing time

cheers and happy new year

helmut

some more Pics added

cheers helmut

cool that you like it

i have seen it before it was sent to you

real amazing dial, stephan is very proud that he get this look

hope to see all your photos soon

there are more cool details on this watch.....

cheers and wear it well

Helmut

knirim stated google translated:

`And so we come to what experts believe and archival material 1938 as first model went into production. It is a clock in, pillow form 'with large housing dimensions (47 mm diameter), with housing and screwed crown and a black dial, on which no writing appears on the roman numerals, hands and Arabic numerals, with phosphorescent material are consecutive. As a wristband attachment serves two bent and soldered ironing. The mechanical movement (caliber 16) with manual elevator has 15 stones and no shockabsorber: it bears the inscription Rolex, the Rohwerk (ground-movement) however, is a caliber of Cortebert, probably originally designed for pocket watches was intended. The glass is made of Perspex, as with the depth gauges and compasses, and the bracelet is made of perforated leather, before the deployment was greased. The bracelet length is so calculated that the clock on the immersion suit could be worn.

Clockwork, housing base and crown bear the inscription Rolex, which together with the graphic design of the clock near presented the idea that it is rather a small series from the famous Geneva watch house acts as a project of Panerai. This is not the case. The house itself Rolex declared in a letter dated 11 January 1990 at the Italian watch collectors and experts Francesco Ferretti: We want to make it clear that Rolex military watches never produced. The Radiomir Panerai built our concessionaire in Florence in the 40s on behalf of the Italian Navy. This clock was dedicated to the fight thought of using swimmers, while designing and production through the above Company occurred. Rolex was limited solely to the supply of watches, clocks why not take our trademark '. This makes it officially, so to speak: the Panerai watches were actually built by Panerai, where not only movements, but - at least initially - even other parts of Rolex, such as The screwed crown, used.

You don't understand my, I'm not denying this, I'm just saying that advertising this movement as Rolex is not okay. Same as you cannot say 6497 from Panerai is the same as 6497 from ETA.

I don't know the market for 616 movements right now, I sold one of mine in perfect condition for 300Euros. (and I had to wait to find a buyer!)

But I think SF240 is much rarer than Cortebert 616

This is a Rolex 618: http://www.knirim.de/xpane.pdf (the one in the middle), at least they call it Rolex 618, I think the most beautiful of all reworked Cortebert movements. But there are even better versions of the Rolex 618/620 out there (better finish/condition).

I have the same/similar Cortebert movement as in the very last pic on the PDF, I dont know what cal. it is, it was a lucky buy, I have never seen that movement before!

300

This is a real beauty! As i stated before in the sales corner

And a Sister of my Marina Militare!

Both are Powered by Cortebert 616 with Rolex engraved Bridges.

What a nit picking here.

OK. Cortebert manufactured this base movements and sold this to Rolex. A normal trade as Panerai buy his 6498 by soprod /Eta nowadays.

after some reworks, imagine it was war and there you havent much resources to build perfect watches, like to engrave Rolex (and 618?) on it and maybe some Adjustments to keep better time, that s all. Sending out to Panerai for complete the watches, Voila a Kampfschwimmer is borne.

And after War for many years the situation of building super watches was not good. Imagine Italy has lost the war too.

For pointing out the incabloc has been put on in the fiftys shown in stephans pic above.

and to compare a molnija and a cortebert thats ridiculous, the qualitiy of factory is totally different, not on the first view but in use. Do you compare a Volkswagen with a Mosquitch(Moskwitch)? of course not.

Sorry Everybody who have a molnija or Moskwitsch in working order should be happy, but if there are problems .... don t get grey hairs...

Back to the thread

please keep this Beauty ( Stephan has spoken to you manytimes)

And wear it well as i do with my MM which is on my wrist for two month now as a dayly wearer with absolute no problem and keeping perfect time

cheers helmut

using a reverse ring for good results is no secret

and a good use for this standard lens

i use old m42 lens with distance rings... no autofocus and a little work to get the shot you want but cheep

cheers helmut

by the way nice dial who does the filling

Thanks Ross

nice well done review

you pointed all clearly out

i think there are more positive points for this case than negative

really bad that the case has not the gen shape to fit the CG

but after reworking will be look as a killer

my2cents

cheers helmut

nice collection of rare pieces

and not only the angelus subsec...

great 24a

cheers helmut

perfect work

Me and VDB are sure to do some more int projects in the future next time i will visit the master and see all you guys down in that part of Europe.

Cheers

YES YES YES

your Welcome

yesterday:

Cheers Helmut

Great watch bro

I love the Cali, i did go for the lehmann rad but i think both are equal in history and looks

Cheers and enjoy it.

Dani

You will love your homage de Lehmann

i have seen it in person

the dial looks marvelous

the second best dial Stephan ever did - you know what i mean.... lol

wear it Well Dani

helmut

warte erst mal ab

nicht nerv

Now I just have to figure out how I can afford to "twist" VDB's arm to get the watch which started this thread. That is a work of art.

Maybe we should get together ona nice place

an do show our nice watches

Vintage vintage

another cool piece, great looking aged dial

and the case looks really authentic

no words for caseback and plexi, stunning

and cool pix too

wear it well

helmut

but the winner need to spend $100 to RWG

That would be fine

if xxxxx will do the same on risti?

cheers

curios is...

the ebayitalo have not more infos give for this...

when a 240 is and this say...uspaneristis(Hammer & Co) buy this for big price...no chance for another...

or Feselar or another millionars Ha Ha

i wont but is to high for this price

ok a question: who have a 240 nonalarm

here the name: VDB,....

i think the vintage lovers here more trust and togheter work...

If the seller do not answer any question, there MUST be something going wrong...

normal collector maybe have no chance if some rich guys chime in on this auction... but they have no problem if its not a 240, they have enough money to spent...

Cool Stephan congrats for your new piece

we want see it when you get it

And this are your important words:

LET THE VINTAGE GUYS STEP TOGETHER

Let us work together not against each other

the vintage parts getting more and more rare especially Cortebert 616

Stupid if we overbid eachother and the price raise up to the sky

just my2cents

cheers Helmut

God Thanks for the SEARCH function

cheers

double pack

cheers

left vdbs angelus right my 3546

very very good i am looking for a radiomir homage case like you.can you tell me more?regards

Ask VDBroucke for the Case

ging ja fix

raaaaare!!!

cheers helmut

yepp

a cool vintage!!!

looks goooood

cheers helmut

with spacin g ring it will fit

little smaler than 6497

but maybe problems with cannion pin and hands

workhorse wenns denn l