pompompurin

Raffles sell this tudor caseback (http://rafflesdials.com/steel-case-back-for-vintage-style-of-40mm-rolex-or-tudor-submariner-watch-case/) and it looks like the ones that are used in JKF (cartel) tudor subs. I think this raffles caseback should fit a cartel sub because someone said that JKF reuses the same rolex sub cases for their tudor subs.

If the raffles tudor caseback fits, then you could sand off those tudor engraving and mirror polish it

imo, to get the shallow rehaut, try removing metal from the inside of the case. But if you do that, the crown/stem/tube height would become different and the VR3135 wouldn't be compatible. Therefore, the other solution is to install an eta 2836-2 movement. However, finding an open 6/9 ETA dwo (with the correct 3035 font) would be a challenge; but you could get away with a modern closed 6/9 DWO as RSC has swapped service closed 6/9 dwo into 3035 movements before

btw, for your inspiration

14 hours ago, dpap said:

RJ’s heat treatment is worth it.

Here is a build with gen dial, xtal, crown and eta 2834

Matching one here

1. do you plan to mod the watch?
2. are you looking for vintage or modern daytona?
3. what is your budget?
4. how OCD are you?

yup, it looks like a HR case to me (based on the lug profile, the caseback engraving, the crownguard, and the bezel/insert)

this is what a HR (helenarou) case is and this is the price:
https://www.helenarou.com/5513-submariner-retro-vintage-diving-watch-with-swiss-eta551328242.html

you should just buy a rubyswatch case instead!
 

On 1/16/2019 at 3:44 AM, Jovi75 said:

This is finally my case !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think guys ??????


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With those lugs and caseback engraving, it reminds me of a helenarou case

On 6/2/2018 at 12:52 AM, aprolexlover said:

Anyone has any other contacts besides Phong, MQ, Ruby, Dung Chrono? Im looking for a 6542 case back, and Ruby has recently raised her prices by quite a bit. She is asking for $300 for a case back!!!!

 

Need some help here.

try yodog and tripdog on rwi. They seem to be able to source their own vietnam parts

13 hours ago, Timelord said:

And,.....,....... What is the attraction???  Especially at that price??   I wished I could sell ice to Eskimos!!  Give me the old noobmariner with the traditional eta any-day!!! !

Here is the attraction!

 

On 10/24/2018 at 11:25 AM, pompompurin said:

The SA4130 movement's chronograph functionality is not the only spotlight of the watch:
1. The SA4130 movement is compatible with genuine parts for franken builds / modding. Therefore, there is no need to cut off the genuine dial's feet or modify the wheels / cannon pinion (to make the movement accept genuine hands).
2. The SA4130 movement has the right thickness, unlike the following movements: Asian 7750 sec. @6 or the well-revered ARF 116520 (which has a slightly-more bulbous caseback to accommodate those decorative plates).
3. The SA4130 movement has the correct crown / stem / tube height like genuine, unlike the following movements: Asian 7750 sec. @6, the well-revered ARF 116520 (which has a higher crown height, ruining the crownguard shape when you look at it from the side), and JF 23j faux chrono movement (the crown height is too low and it affects the crownguard shape as well).
4. The SA4130 movement's pusher is made to gen-spec and this influences the aesthetics of the pusher location on the case, unlike the ARF 116520 V1 which originally had stubby pushers.
5. Modders, owners, and watchsmiths on RWI have praised the quality and reliability of the movement. As previously mentioned by Tickleshoes, he noted that even the quality of the reverse wheels is top-notch and manufactured like its genuine counterpart.

In a nutshell, the development of the SA4130 movement to be a 1:1 clone (of the genuine equivalent) not only brings us chronography functionality (like gen), but it also influences the aesthetic and construction of the case shape, as well as the compatibility of genuine parts for modders and enthusiasts.

Also, it doesn't hurt to own something different and unique from the current rep offering? I mean, NOOB CLONED A FREAKIN' COLUMN WHEEL CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT!!! If you look at the technical aspects and intricacies of the 4130 movement, then $658 is just a small price to pay for such a feat with the above-mentioned advantages.

From my experience, the 2824-2 works better for 1500 build because the stem height of the movement is lower which gives the dwo more clearance to move.

However, i have also seen people use 2836-2 and 2846-2 (I.e. the lowbeat equivalent of the 2836-2) in 1500 case builds, but that's trickier to assemble, in my opinion.

Here is my 1500 case super franken build with a sellita 2824-2, raffles tall post hands, and helenarou (2824-2 to 1570) movement ring

https://image.ibb.co/j6UsHf/20180518-121251.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/i1p3OL/20180518-125341-1.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/jgwTq0/20180518-121037-1.jpg

3 minutes ago, pompompurin said:

From my experience, the 2824-2 works better for 1500 build because the stem height of the movement is lower which gives the dwo more clearance to move.

 

However, i have also seen people use 2836-2 and 2846-2 (I.e. the lowbeat equivalent of the 2836-2) in 1500 case builds, but that's trickier to assemble, in my opinion.

 

Here is my 1500 case super franken build with a sellita 2824-2, raffles tall post hands, and helenarou (2824-2 to 1570) movement ring

 

https://image.ibb.co/j6UsHf/20180518-121251.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/i1p3OL/20180518-125341-1.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/jgwTq0/20180518-121037-1.jpg

typo* (can't seem to edit the post anymore): i was meant to say that the 2824-2's stem height is taller than the 2836-2 which gives more clearance for the DWO to move. This is because the 2824-2's taller stem height makes the overall movement sit lower from the top, giving more clearance for the DWO to move.


 

19 hours ago, lubusssster said:

Thank you for your advices.

They ask me for $ 220 but I doubt whether to buy the 1500 or wait for a 5500 good price and buy it

5500 is a simpler build because you don't need to install a dwo. But a lot of franken 5500 are not accurate because they don't use the gen hands (which have a distinctive pointy front for the hour and minute hand). Instead, many people use aftermarket eta datejust hands for 5500 builds (which looks ok, but not good enough for me). Alternatively, you can build a 5500 air king explorer (using an aftermarket / refinished dial) with eta sub hands.

1500 is a nice build too, but the dwo installation process can be tricky for some people. If you do a 1500 build, I recommend using raffles tall post hands with a stock eta 2824-2 (h2) movement so that the hands have enough height to clear the tall dial indices.

On 10/18/2018 at 9:32 AM, jackflash said:

You can pick up a pearl from Athaya for $10. You’ll need to remove a little surplus plastic though. The new pearls Yuki has aren’t as good as they used to be unfortunately and are frankly overpriced.

 

http://parts.athayavintage.com/product/aftermarket-rolex-pearl-dot-pips/

 

A dab of glue on the inside of the bezel insert will ensure they don’t get knocked out that easily.

 

 

as above, i also recommend the athaya pearl pip

however, the athaya pip comes un-lumed. You can 'colour' the pip easily instead with a needle and a felt tip marker. I extracted ink from the felt tip marker by poking a needle into the tip of the felt tip marker, then i coloured the pip with the needle. It's a very macgyver / ghetto method, but it gets the job done HAHA.

below are pictures of my own reshaped vietnam case build (with athaya pip that was coloured using the above method):

before the athaya pearl mod


after the athaya pearl mod

yup long gone. 

if you need a movement ring for a TC case, then i think it's worth trying those helenarou 2824-2 to 1570 movement ring (approx $15 USD) - they seem to fit TC cases well (from the last time i tried, but ymmv)

4 hours ago, automatico said:

 

Some cartel cases will accept a rlx 15xx movement, many will not.  For example, most 55xx and 1680 cases from 'Paul' (Abay) will accept a rlx 15xx date movement and the dial window is 26.5mm same as rlx 1680.

 

May I ask where do you source those 2824-2 rolex 1680 cases?

I have been looking for one that takes 15xx date movement (for a budget build) as it should assumably have a gen crown/stem/tune height position as well. Thanks!

On 11/1/2018 at 12:33 PM, Jovi75 said:

 

Hi guys....

I’m looking for a good case cause I’ve started a new project for building a 5513 with original dial & movement.

If anybody has an unused case kit to sell ...write to me a pm !!!.

 

jovi

 

 

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i recommend using rubyswatch 5513 cases!

those cases are made to accept gen 1520 movement

cartel case and MBW case won't take a gen 1520 movement out-of-the-box: for starters, the cartel case and mbw case have different crown/stem/tube height to a gen case.

On 11/1/2018 at 2:30 PM, Mapearso said:

In my search for a gen or gen-spec 16520 dial I came across a couple of non-TDs (or at least dealers that I'm not familiar with) that are selling 16520 (and 16523/8 and 16518) reps . 

 

I did not think anyone made a 16520 replica, only 116520s.  

 

http://www.replicamagic.me/produit/rolex/automatic-rolex-daytona-16520-white-dial/

 

https://perfectwatches.io/product/rolex-daytona-16520-40-mm/

 

I think these dealers are using pictures of a genuine 16520 (with an inverted 6 no less!!).  Does anyone know the story on these 16520 replicas?  If they are this nice, and have good dial like this with the right spacing for the subdials I would like to buy 

 

Thanks!!! 

If it's too good to be true, then it probably is.

Reverse google image search suggests that those 16520 pictures are widely used by many scam replica watch sites

Settle with a Noob SA4130 116520 instead

if i recall correctly from my research and handling unpolished gens, the 1500 has different lug shape to the 5500 and 1002.

Unpolished 5500


Unpolished 1500

Few days ago, my 116520 (904l and sa4130) arrived and it's amazing. So far, everything works buttery smoothly especially the time setting and manual wind. Going to franken it soon!

One of my longterm builder friend from RWI told me that a lot of 2834 comes stock with H4 wheels / pinion, whereas the majority of 2836-2 come stock with H3 wheels / pinion.

On 10/8/2018 at 2:54 PM, alligoat said:

I have a 2834-2 in a submariner rep and it's working fine. It's in a 16800 franken with a relumed gen dial and the ST3035 case.

 

The movement was in another rep a long time ago and I used the movement for the franken build. I don't know if the day wheel was removed or not because my watchmaker put it together

Oh sweeet! it's making me drool, and I am going to do the EXACT build as that (with a jonj480 reshaped startime 3035 case).

Did you use Clark hands for that build?

apparently, this one is good

https://www.ts-station.cn/goods.php?ProId=23950

1 hour ago, 508-Fanatic said:

Well said! Here here!! Going to order one and Franken the [censored] out of it haha

HAHA let's do it buddy! 

I got a gen dial, gen hand set, and gen bezel from years of hoarding.

2 hours ago, docdoowop said:

yeah but a TC is a TC.... in its own league...

why are people so much fixated on having a gen-like functioning Dayto?

To me, it is not the greatest watch ever made....and who needs a fully functioning Daytona rep? How many of you guys run laps, race Formula Ones or whatever the hell you'd wear a fully functional Dayto knockoff for?

After collecting rep and gen diversfor 25 years, I am yet to take a diving course and go deep sea diving just because I own a rep Deepsea.....??😐

(In my subjective opinion and in response to the TC as a watch of its own league)

TC was a good watch for its time; but then again, it came at a different price point and it's not like the TC was the only super-rep of its time: there were other super-reps back then with a cheaper price tag (notably, those Panerai). Not to mention, the TC had its fair share of bad QC and/or uncorrectable fatal flaws (e.g. tall SEL mid hump, non gen-spec SEL and/or lug hole location -- at least for the V6 and V7 that i currently own. Also, some of the TCs have notoriously-bad SEL gaps as well).

The SA4130 movement's chronograph functionality is not the only spotlight of the watch:
1. The SA4130 movement is compatible with genuine parts for franken builds / modding. Therefore, there is no need to cut off the genuine dial's feet or modify the wheels / cannon pinion (to make the movement accept genuine hands).
2. The SA4130 movement has the right thickness, unlike the following movements: Asian 7750 sec. @6 or the well-revered ARF 116520 (which has a slightly-more bulbous caseback to accommodate those decorative plates).
3. The SA4130 movement has the correct crown / stem / tube height like genuine, unlike the following movements: Asian 7750 sec. @6, the well-revered ARF 116520 (which has a higher crown height, ruining the crownguard shape when you look at it from the side), and JF 23j faux chrono movement (the crown height is too low and it affects the crownguard shape as well).
4. The SA4130 movement's pusher is made to gen-spec and this influences the aesthetics of the pusher location on the case, unlike the ARF 116520 V1 which originally had stubby pushers.
5. Modders, owners, and watchsmiths on RWI have praised the quality and reliability of the movement. As previously mentioned by Tickleshoes, he noted that even the quality of the reverse wheels is top-notch and manufactured like its genuine counterpart.

In a nutshell, the development of the SA4130 movement to be a 1:1 clone (of the genuine equivalent) not only brings us chronography functionality (like gen), but it also influences the aesthetic and construction of the case shape, as well as the compatibility of genuine parts for modders and enthusiasts.

Also, it doesn't hurt to own something different and unique from the current rep offering? I mean, NOOB CLONED A FREAKIN' COLUMN WHEEL CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT!!! If you look at the technical aspects and intricacies of the 4130 movement, then $658 is just a small price to pay for such a feat with the above-mentioned advantages.

3 hours ago, 508-Fanatic said:

Thanks! Same steep price though, what do you know of rotor noise (whizz) and reliability?

 

the quality of deco plates means nothing to me - I’ve held a gen 4130 movement in my hand and it’s a work of art, no rep deco plate will fool anyone (and I’m not looking to fool anyone with unexposed internals)

assuming that you mean fake deco plates that conceal a generic movement (e.g. ARF + deco plate + modified 7750), the noob sa4130 doesn't use deco plates - it's literally a 1:1 clone 4130 movement. On RWI, misiekped has already successfully swapped in a gen balance.

i just ordered one. I will keep you updated on the rotor noise. As for the reliability so far, the feedback appears to be extremely positive on RWI. Members from there reported excellent timekeeping and no faults when playing around with the chrono

I just spent $658 usd for a 904l 116520. 

As much as i believe that sanity should kick in at certain price points (especially for franken projects), i am willing to pay that much for the one-of-its-kind 4130 clone movement - it's a milestone and it's unique to everything that i have ever owned. Also, the feedback received from RWI's watchmakers is very positive so far, and not to mention, $658 is just a small percentage of the overly-hyped market price of the gen equivalent. 

People used to pay similar prices for WM9 and TC too

3 hours ago, 508-Fanatic said:

Would you happen to have a link?

https://www.intime03.co/rollie/5476-pre-order-daytona-116520-904l-ss-case-noob-1-1-best-edition-black-dial-on-904l-ss-bracelet-sa4130.html

https://puretime.io/daytona-116520-noob-1-1-best-edition-904l-ss-case-and-bracelet-black-dial-sa4130.html

http://www.trustytime.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=19155

https://www.ts-station.cn/goods.php?ProId=24763

On 3/30/2018 at 9:24 PM, JSebWC said:

That is a unique bracelet / clasp combo you have on the exp 1   is it a gen clasp or a high quality rep ?  its got 7 holes?

 

I have yet to buy a replacement crystal and bezel for my 14270  I am for some reason hesitant on doing so as I concerned on the bezel fit and crystal on my case... I have not attempted to remove mine as  I do not like my crystal press  I will order a new press. the crystal and bezel and get it done and it will be done! lol  gotta shake this procrastination 

 

But for the sake of all things 14270  here is one of my fav pics I took of my watch.

 

 

It's a vietnam bracelet with a vietnam 7-hole clasp (quite uncommon high-quality rep part)

On 4/4/2018 at 6:36 PM, Audemarspiguet said:

Love that dial!

On 6/24/2018 at 12:26 PM, JSebWC said:

I finally ordered a crystal and bezel for my piece  it arrived earlier this week  I am going to install it tomrmow and I will post some updated pics of my explorer 

 

Here is a before pic.

 

@godkiller Did you ever get a new crystal and your explorer all sorted out?

Sweet! I love that angle of your watch. Those are good ETA sub hands that can pass my OCD

Yes I eventually did sort out the crystal after a while

On 6/25/2018 at 10:04 AM, JSebWC said:

So I swapped the bezel and crystal today on my Explorer and wow what a difference. It gives it a different look and feel and looks proper now.


Before with the factory bezel and crystal


After the slimmer bezel , thicker gasket and new crystal.







My crystal press sucks and I didn’t want to wait for my new one to arrive I made it work. I don’t know if I have the crystal seated completely but it’s not loose and has stayed in with movement so it should be okay until the new press arrives

I really like the taller look of the crystal and has a gen look now compared to pics online.

I am very happy with this piece now and it will be getting a lot more wrist time now.

I love it!
Gen crown next? Or maybe consider converting the ETA movement inside into having 2-positions only (i.e. manual-wind and time-setting). You can do that by ordering an ETA 2840 combined setting lever and install it directly into the movement