Jimster Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Well, I'm in the market for a Pam GMT and like the 029 & 063. Which model is closest out of the box and what mods do I need to do to make it right? My single experience with mods to a Pam is my Swiss 7753 188 from River. I added a Lello date wheel,a Palp Crown and double AR. After reading various posts It seems there are lots of mods for either the 063 or the 029. Where do I buy and where do I start the mods? Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 I'm getting some feedback to go with the 029. What mods do I need to do to make it close? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 While I love the 029 and find the tux dial to be my aesthetic preference between the two, I think the 063 is actually the better choice as the 029 bezel has the 24hr markers engraved just ever so slightly off from my understanding? I could very well be mistaken, but I seem to recall that being one of the issues with the 029 that is't easily fixed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Thanks for the info R as these are the things that will help me make my decision. Anyone else? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I have my 029B on my wrist today and that would be my choice... especially if you can find one with the 2893 movt. The tuxedo dial really is unique and so is the 24hr markers on the bezel. Caseback is also correct for the B series. Typical mods would be lello datewheel, lumework, T-crown, chief cyclops and you are good to go. Had the good fortune of all the planets being in line with the moon and stars and completed the project in about a month. Amazing luck actually.... Cheers siesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Siesta, thanks for the information. I can swap out the movement if the hands from the 2836 fit. I doubt the GMT hand will fit. If I remember correctly they are smaller. Does anyone know about hand fit or can I get gen hands? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I've seen gen hands pop up from time to time (not often); they're usually quite pricey! You can probably get some hands from DSN, however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I prefer the 29 but I have to warn you of the following. If dings on the bezel drive you nuts do not buy a 29. The bezel (rep or gen) gets dinged up fairly easily and it is very difficult to repair given the brushing as well potentially taking a chunk out of an actual engraved number. Been there and done that with both rep and gen bezel and as a result my watch doesn't get much wrist time. On the 63 both dials have their own problems. Cartel dial has misaligned numbers and Davidsen has the weirdest sheen. And of course, the 63 rep usually comes with a B case back and wasn't made until the c series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Kruzer, Thanks for the information. I'm working my way into what I need to do - as in - be careful when I wear it! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncyte Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 It's hard to find an accurate 029 nowadays....the dial and bezel markers aren't the greatest from today's dealers. If you can get a hold of an old school one then I'd say go for a 029....otherwise get an ultimate 063. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Oncyte, Thanks for the thoughts. You're collection is wonderful. Where did you source that rough out or suede strap? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbiz Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 uhh seriously... the sweet and accurate 029s and 063s are loooonggg since discontinued!! DSN no longer makes any and only caries the current models that the cartel etc carries... these models are beyond repair... I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news... you'll have to keep your eye out for an old school model... which will command huge coin. Last super rep 029 sold 5 times for 1600... and an 063 that new back in the day from EL sold for 395.. stock sold for $700... you might want to consider the ultimate 088 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 uhh seriously... the sweet and accurate 029s and 063s are loooonggg since discontinued!! DSN no longer makes any and only caries the current models that the cartel etc carries... these models are beyond repair... I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news... you'll have to keep your eye out for an old school model... which will command huge coin. Last super rep 029 sold 5 times for 1600... and an 063 that new back in the day from EL sold for 395.. stock sold for $700... you might want to consider the ultimate 088 Whose Ultimate 88? Cartels? DSN? I could kick myself for selling my super rep 29...killer movement and mods from Ziggy...sure do miss that piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest techlogik Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Whose Ultimate 188? Cartels? DSN? I could kick myself for selling my super rep 29...killer movement and mods from The Zigmeister...sure do miss that piece! The 88 like in his sig I think he means. You can't get 063/029 anymore from dealers. None have them. Have to wait to find one for sale, or try to make one with parts you can scrounge somehow...but not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 The 88 like in his sig I think he means. You can't get 063/029 anymore from dealers. None have them. Have to wait to find one for sale, or try to make one with parts you can scrounge somehow...but not likely. @techLOGIK Um...yeah, i know u can't get the 63 or 29 anymore...but thanks for pointing that out...as you'll notice i had one years ago and sold it...hence my earlier posting... And the 88 in his sig doesn't state if its from DSN or the cartels....am i missing something here? My vision is 20/20...are you seeing something I am not? I am missing the logic of your post but thanks anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbiz Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 the 088 in my sig is a super franken based on the ultimate 088 I bought from jushua at perfect clones (one of the "Cartel")... that's the watch I recommend... $428 last time I checked... it's worth the extra $ because the crystal is fantastic and the date wheel is perfect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 the 088 in my sig is a super franken based on the ultimate 088 I bought from jushua at perfect clones (one of the "Cartel")... that's the watch I recommend... $428 last time I checked... it's worth the extra $ because the crystal is fantastic and the date wheel is perfect... That is really a nice watch. How is the magnification on the cyclops close to gen and how about the font on the date wheel? Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 the 088 in my sig is a super franken based on the ultimate 088 I bought from jushua at perfect clones (one of the "Cartel")... that's the watch I recommend... $428 last time I checked... it's worth the extra $ because the crystal is fantastic and the date wheel is perfect... Thanks KBiz... Nice 88 you have! Now, Back on Topic and sorry for getting this sidetracked....IMO...you will love both. But if I could only have one, I would get my EL 29 back...I love the Tuxedo dial! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimster Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 tech, I agree with you - but now I want both of them as they each have an element to them I really like a lot. Thanks for all the assistance on what to look for in a watch. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbiz Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 the magnification is virtually perfect compared to Gen and the date font is perfect... only issue with all the modern gmts is they need the sunken dw fix... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest techlogik Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) @techLOGIK Um...yeah, i know u can't get the 63 or 29 anymore...but thanks for pointing that out...as you'll notice i had one years ago and sold it...hence my earlier posting... And the 88 in his sig doesn't state if its from DSN or the cartels....am i missing something here? My vision is 20/20...are you seeing something I am not? I am missing the logic of your post but thanks anyway Wow...you have 686 posts and that is the response I get for trying to help out, when you don't know what you want or have a clue apparently...good luck on that. Am I some kind of mind reader knowing every watch you own and read every post you have? What a douche..whatever... Edited September 19, 2009 by techlogik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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