deniz21 Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 hi guys, i dont know if theres a topic like this, if so sorry. but today i saw a 111 for over 2K let me ask you, how in the world someone can buy a used rep 111H with little hero movement and gen crownguard for over 2100$ i mean i saw a used 111 in germany for 3200$ that was a gen panerai with box and all stuff 2 years old and like new condition... of course there are 1100$ difference but hey the other watch is a gen with gen movement, gen dial, gen hands, gen crown.... i realy cant understand this, cause when i have the money to buy a rep for over 2K i think then i have the money for the gen of it for 3K or not??? i dont want to diss someone, but i realy cant understand this..fure sure the rep will look almost perfect but it will be still a rep....or not tell me what you think about that theme. best regards denz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Maybe you should ask TST why. But at the end of the day he is looking for what he thinks its worth or what it owes him. The buyer will buy it for whatever he feels its worth to him as we all do. Some people are out there who dont want the hassle but want the kudos in the rep world. Its a market economy. Your comments could be made about gens.... its all about kudos not value Personally I wouldnt pay that for a ready made rep but I might spend that on making my 'perfect' rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 no i mean not the person who sells it, or specialy this watch, but the thing himself to spend so much in a rep watch i mean at the end its only a rep we should stay realistic or not i mean he had my respect for doing this yeah but come on, that is a real bad deal in my oppinion .. (money) and that i oppenend this thread has nothing to do with that guy but that was a question that was very long in my mind, and after today i could resist to ask it and thank you for your statement pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 You see to me this isnt just about reps or about getting them close to gens. Its about something I enjoy a hobby a pastime its something that challenges me that can satisfy me that can disappoint me and here I can share. I used to mod cars and bikes I spent a fortune on them when I sold I lost money generally not always though. So I would break it up and sell the modded parts seperately I got more back that way. So if TST broke up that watch he would still make a good size of that value back but he wants to keep it as a semi completed piece so then you can throw in labour. This rep world means different things to different people so your question has no answer its subjective not objective mate. We all came here for different reasons and we all stay here for different reasons. Its like a recent thread on WTB a guy searching for a supermodded/franken PAM for $2000, thats what its worth to that guy but not to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spekoli Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 if they break 50% of the used gen cost it seams a bit silly to me, even for a franken. rep is still a rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 if they break 50% of the used gen cost it seams a bit silly to me, even for a franken. rep is still a rep that is what i mean and to make it perfect you will pay more like a used gen, and thats crazy. of course pete it honurful what you do and say, and if you can do it, i respect that very much. for my part i would buy the gen watch and a polishing cloth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spekoli Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 of course pete it honurful what you do and say, and if you can do it, i respect that very much. for my part i would buy the gen watch and a polishing cloth +1, if you have the skill/patience and want it; then by all means, have at 'er the watch in question is very nice, and the time investment alone is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Talking to a friend from the forum on the phone yesterday.. and mentioning my Ubifranken 9411,.. if I were to total up the money I spent on it .. fogetaboutit and now I'm upgrading it with a genuine Tudor 2784 movement.. that I got for a very good price btw.. it would exceed what most would consider sound judgment..with a NOS genuine dial, hands, NOS bezel and insert, gen crystal, and now genuine movement plus the gen 91350 bracelet with 580 end links.. but for me it is a labour of love.. and if I were to even attempt to buy, let alone find a gen NOS 9411 dial.. it would be slim to none.,. and Slim has left town.. Ubi passed on the most precious parts at what he payed for them,this was after 1 year of hunting down and failing at sourcing the correct parts.. it was in the end not about the money anymore.. I wear that particular watch along with my 202A much more than I do my genuine Rolex',..... it has given me more Joy and gratification than all my genuine watches... after all we do these projects because we love the hunt and the building rather than just the buying. beauty is really in the eye's of the one who wears the piece.. in other words if I were to put a price tag on my Ubifranken 9411 and my 202A....it would be a price that is beyond reach for anyone that considers those watches.. "just a rep" AC/Lani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 man lani i respect that very much bro, as i said if someone can do it with all his love and entusiasm for one watch or too cause he want to build his watch for himself ok, but lani would you sell this watch that you build? i dont think so. and this is what i mean why should someone BUY such a watch??? again if someone do this, this is extrem cool, i mean i dont have the skills for doing this. but when i read something about someone who did this i respect that of course, cause its way cooler than ONLY BUY but lani would you buy so a expensive rep? i dont think so..cause it isnt worth the money for an outstanding person. denz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spekoli Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 the rare and/or expensive watches are definitely an exception to my own price limitations when it comes to rep. some of the vintage reps getting built are getting horridly expensive but i would be proud to call them mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I think I see what you're meaning, bro. I would be prepared to spend whatever it cost to build a project I wanted to build, but I would likely never spend that much in one go on just one watch (remember also, that the watches I will be buying as parts donors will also get 're-combined' to form new watches as well, which I might then give away as gifts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 yes tee that is exactly what i mean, and as i said i like this watches like the one you did the LEX that you wear and that you build for you thanks bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Just like my 2nd-quoted Lani signature below, such projects are all about the journey & hunt there... and the satisfaction one gets when they're completed. I mean, it's so simple to just walk into an AD to pick up a gen, but franken projects are of a different dimension altogether... Just my $0.02 worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Just like my 2nd-quoted Lani signature below, such projects are all about the journey & hunt there... and the satisfaction one gets when they're completed. I mean, it's so simple to just walk into an AD to pick up a gen, but franken projects are of a different dimension altogether... Just my $0.02 worth. you are absolutly right as lani as well, but tell me would you buy such a watch? or would you think someone would buy this or the used gen, i dont mean the making of this watches but i mean the selling of them. and wow your internet is pretty fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Of course, if I was to sell one of my home-brewed Rolexs, I wouldn't expect it to sell for any more than a regular rep (if even that much, as others might not appreciate the aesthetic), I certainly wouldn't think "I spend $600 on watches for the parts, so someone will buy it for $600..." That would be crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchnRoll Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It depends on the watch and how really good the rep is. But I don't think I would spend more than $500 on any one rep at all. I own a gen Rolex Seadweller that I spent $5,000....I know it's a gen and love it. The Reps to me are for variety and I can't see spending much more for a rep...but with that said.... If there was a rep of a Rolex Daytona that was perfect with the rehaut and all.....i'd be tempted to spend under a grand to really have something special... Or like a really amazing two tone rolex with solid gold end links and gold that isn't plated...I'd spend more and close to one grand on that...it all depends. I've yet to see a two tone model stay looking good and be solid gold...if they can do that on a Rolex Two Tone...i'll be in line...so far it's been folklore...and also a Daytona with a correct rehaut and movt that isn't laden with problems... So in summary...it depends on the watch and the person who wants to wear it or sell it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 It depends on the watch and how really good the rep is. But I don't think I would spend more than $500 on any one rep at all. I own a gen Rolex Seadweller that I spent $5,000....I know it's a gen and love it. The Reps to me are for variety and I can't see spending much more for a rep...but with that said.... If there was a rep of a Rolex Daytona that was perfect with the rehaut and all.....i'd be tempted to spend under a grand to really have something special... Or like a really amazing two tone rolex with solid gold end links and gold that isn't plated...I'd spend more and close to one grand on that...it all depends. I've yet to see a two tone model stay looking good and be solid gold...if they can do that on a Rolex Two Tone...i'll be in line...so far it's been folklore...and also a Daytona with a correct rehaut and movt that isn't laden with problems... So in summary...it depends on the watch and the person who wants to wear it or sell it... Shouldnt this be in the want to buy section!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchnRoll Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Shouldnt this be in the want to buy section!!! Very true! But, really I Haven't seen any of those examples to exist...if so...I would be willing to pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakemaster Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sadly when it comes to Pams seemingly inteligent people lose their [censored] minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 man lani i respect that very much bro, as i said if someone can do it with all his love and entusiasm for one watch or too cause he want to build his watch for himself ok, but lani would you sell this watch that you build? i dont think so. and this is what i mean why should someone BUY such a watch??? again if someone do this, this is extrem cool, i mean i dont have the skills for doing this. but when i read something about someone who did this i respect that of course, cause its way cooler than ONLY BUY but lani would you buy so a expensive rep? i dont think so..cause it isnt worth the money for an outstanding person. denz You have a very valid point denz.. and I really don't think I would just buy a franken.. this is so true.. because for me it is the hunt and the journey.. like people spending money on things they enjoy as their passion.. my passion is definitely the build..or sourcing of parts for the build... and when everything comes together.. that is the eperience that is memorable. and you are right .. I would really think twice about just buying a franken ... it would be just like buying a gen .. well sort of.. cause I would not have taken the journey .. just arrived at the destination.. and the journey is what makes the destination something to remember for always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 You have a very valid point denz.. and I really don't think I would just buy a franken.. this is so true.. because for me it is the hunt and the journey.. like people spending money on things they enjoy as their passion.. my passion is definitely the build..or sourcing of parts for the build... and when everything comes together.. that is the eperience that is memorable. and you are right .. I would really think twice about just buying a franken ... it would be just like buying a gen .. well sort of.. cause I would not have taken the journey .. just arrived at the destination.. and the journey is what makes the destination something to remember for always. My thoughts precisely, bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Sometimes though that journey isnt possible. Due to parts no longer made etc or due to personal circumstances. The sum of its parts might not be the driver in buying but the parts itself. Or with the intention to take the watch further despite its current state of franken or modding. I still say this world, this hobby can be and/or is all things to all men. I think also the difficulty for us noobies is the lack of suitable parts being made readily available if they are that is, from my experience so far a lot of the good stuff is passed around through contacts rather than on sales forums. This is due to relationships between members and their knowledge of what those members have what they want etc. Its almost an underground network or inner circle so to speak. Now I am not criticising that, its understandable given the way these relationships work and time creates these. I know guys on here that phone or PM, EM etc each other while searching for parts or even dealers etc they dont have to wait or certainlly get the heads up before these parts appear on the sales section. Again a lot of guys dont know how to do this except by 'cold calling' other members but as I have found on here and elsewhere this isnt very productive. So I can empathise with some guys who buy out of frustration rather than laziness, though those guys do exist, so I dont think there is any objective view to this debate. Now I am not talking about TST's watch but generally. I myself have bought watches that I dont want per se but do want the parts with the idea of interchanging, I am sure a lot of us do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 if they break 50% of the used gen cost it seams a bit silly to me, even for a franken. rep is still a rep Thanks for your Avatar, I just spit my coffee all over my keyboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hey Deniz how you doing? How's your new PO? I say to each his own. I understand having a project that becomes a labor of love. Back In 2001 I restored a 1971 Pontiac Trans Am. I had around $25.000 Into It when I was done. Some of my family and friends thought I was crazy, I to thought I might have gone overboard. But to me It was worth every penny and I trully loved that car. I sold It a few years later and made my money back. So I do understand what It Is to have a specal project and to see that project come together. I personaly would not Invest more then $1000.00 In a rep, but thats just me. There are some nice Gens that can be purchased for that kind of money,especially In this economy. My friend just purchased a 7753 movement for $600.00 and Is going to drop It In his MB timewalker, no more sunken DW. By time he Is done with this watch he will have quite a bit of money In the MB. But he loves this particular watch and It's worth It to him to do It. Will he be able to turn around and recoup his investment? I dont think so but you never know. Good topic Deniz, see you on the autobahn Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 thanks mike looking forward to see ya yes the upo is very well and after adjustemt she keeps almost perfect time+2 secs a day yeah i agree with you, it all depends how much you like your project and when you love it so much then do it, cause in this fact money or time dont counts anymore for many of us i now i think to much in the economy of this....... and guys believe me i didnt want to treat someone or TSWISST with this thread, it was just a question and for me after reading this is nice to see that many of you hear in first fact on there hearts and in the second on there wallet and yes sometimes this is the way we all should go. and for me i respect all of your voices, im maybe wouldnt do it, but as i bevore did, i love to read the posts about so big projects some of you had, and while reading i imagine for me, the big smile of the threadstarter when he looks to his project and sais..yes thats made by my own hands and this is what make so many of you so unique. thanks for reading denz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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