cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hello, I was wondering is someone can tell me and post a side by side picture of the difference between Aftermarket hand and Gen hands for a 1665. I have been looking at at pictures on the internet on ebay and I can not tell the difference. maybe the hour hand is longer. Also De 1665 WSD does it has a super dome or a flat dome, At the end does it matter. I personally like better the super dome look. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 The diffeence is going to be largely with the shape of the hand frames (i.e. the size and shape of the openings for the lume, etc). To retrofit gen hands to ETA size pinions (90/150/25) requires a significant amount of work, as the gen 1570 hands are quite different in size (I forget what their actual measurements are). Not to mention, genuine hands are not exactly cheap; at least when considering that you'd be modifying them to make them unusable for gen specs thereafter (though you can probably modify the ETA pinions to fit one or more of those hands). In my opinion, you'd be better off getting a gen 1570 to replace the ETA in your case; this will allow the hands to at least remain in unmodified condition (hence retaining their intrinsic value). Just my thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 @Ubi. I forgot to mention that my 1665 has a 1570 heart on it and many more Gen parts. I installed aftermarket hand from Clarks was a direct fit no modifications but not Gen. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 If you've got a gen 1570 powering the watch already, then the above becomes a non-issue (that's what I get for making assumptions) Got a pic of the watch? Specifically the hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Okay, in looking at this pic: Hour hand: A gen minute hand is going to have a longer 'neck' (portion between the center and the 'mercedes' tip). The portion of lume in this 'neck' will be longer, and the edges of that frame will also be crisper/sharper at the corners. The 'mercedes' tip is also a bit different in terms of the shape of the frame, and the actual triangle tip is usually a little more open with more lume. Some hands are curved and some are flat, BTW. Minute hand: Again, the frame is a bit off; the lume strip should extend closer to the center towards the pinions (hopefully this makes sense). The hand is also a slight bit short, as it should overlap the minute chapter slightly. Seconds hand: The biggest issues I see here are the tail of the seconds hand (portion that extends opposite of the pointer tip) as it's a bit short. The shape of the hand is a bit off as well, as the pointer tip should be slightly tapered towards the point after the lume dot. Gen pics to illustrate the above: Outlined: In my honest opinion, a gen set of hands would be a nice upgrade over your current hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo35 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have a vintage set of nicely toned genuine tritium tudor hands that will fit an ETA. I'm not planning on using these, if anyone might be interested PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 UBI, Thanks for the input i found some on ebay. but I am not sure is I really want to spend that much money http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120524501439&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT The look Gen by your description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 @UBI, what do you think about this dial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 In general, I would pass. There are just a few too many 'flaws' with that dial all around. It doesn't even really correlate with any of the gen DRSD dials (so called MKI - MKVII) in terms of details (i.e. font, coronet, markers and so on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I could not agree more with you. what about the hands do they look gen to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyberetta Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 The hands look gen to me. Probably a set of service replacement hands... Are their any decent aftermarket redials that look decent to gen? I am looking for one for my 1570 movement 1665. I know MBW is close...but looking for maybe a better redial that fits the 1570...i.e. feet placement, singer dial markings, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Lumi hands... Usually gen service replacements are a bit less than their BIN, but not bad. Not great pics but the second pic tells me more than the first (too much glare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I have yet to find any aftermarket hands that look correct. Gen hands here And here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 @freddy333 where did you get that insert. looks like a bold font insert and did you bleach it yourself? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 The bezel/insert/pearl are gens & naturally aged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Gen hands (these were NOT cheap) .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Looks good, Chief. I generally pay between $200-$250 (depending on style/condition) for gen Sub/SD handsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 These are original and in tip top shape. Service hands generally come cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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