Martyd3 Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Look at the second to last pic of the case back. http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=5080621&rid=560 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 It looks gen to me but yea that caseback looks a little strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 The original owner didn't keep the box? Interesting... The crown looks gen. I don't know if Ken Trading is currently using different sapphire crystal now or not, the crystal is definitely not the domed sapphire they have on MM20 from the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I'd say this is a rep. Crystal, CG and caseback are not OEM. The case shape and the bezel look a little off too. The dial looks good. Compare with this one http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=165672&rid=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 What about the hexagonal cannon pin...I haven't seen these on the reps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 What about the hexagonal cannon pin...I haven't seen these on the reps? I don't see it on the ad though. The frontal pic shows something that looks like my rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I just noticed also that the fonts are not right either. They are kind of faint in comparison to a much whiter gen. This doesn't look gen at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 That's what I notice too. The font is a little bit light. However, I don't know if Ken makes different MM20 now or not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 That's what I notice too. The font is a little bit light. However, I don't know if Ken makes different MM20 now or not though. Panerai won a court order against Ken on the MM20. They stop producing them a long time ago (2007) I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Right, which is very interesting to me that they are selling MM20 watches again on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Do you have a link? The last time I checked their website was defunct and it routed to one of those spam virus infected places. Edit: Ken Trading is a defunct company that was liquidated and bought by another Japanese company so any "new model" being offered is not the RXW MM20. This website (southerncross-time.com) claims to have the Ken Trading old stock but rumors say this is another replica made with Molnija movements. The interesting part is that southercross-time.com sells this replica for $980.00. Coincidentally that's the price asked by the user at TZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 This is the website http://www.rxw.jp/eng/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 that's the same as this southerncross-time.com That's very strange though (low res pictures, the lawsuit against making the MM20, hmm) it looks like a scam to me. However even with the low res pictures you can see the caseback is the same as DSNs (check the logo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 This is my gen looks like. Case back. See distortion and brightness of the logo. See crown guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 beautiful. That one in the add looks nothing like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Right, but I don't know if I can discount a possibility which for some reason Ken Trading is making a different MM20. In the beginning, Ken Trading did make a version of MM20 with mineral crystals which didn't have the distortions. I mean the watch in the ad, its CG looks kind of funny, but the crown seems to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Right, but I don't know if I can discount a possibility which for some reason Ken Trading is making a different MM20. In the beginning, Ken Trading did make a version of MM20 with mineral crystals which didn't have the distortions. I mean the watch in the ad, its CG looks kind of funny, but the crown seems to be right. The caseback is still a rep and the crystal is flat. The dial and CG are strange. The crystal doesn't seem to have any AR at all either. Too suspicious for my taste. Why risk it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougaree Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinamm20 Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 i have to agree aswell, the hole watch looks to flat, logo wrong on caseback, fillout missing in the trident. The center pin in the crownguard is wrong, the gen dont have a flat pin, but have a downwards curve on the pin. it look like "marina Militare" and "L Swiss L" is printed with a bronze color. on the Original Dial "Marina Militare" is lazer etched in to the metal, so i have a special color, and "L Swiss L" is printed on the dial with white color. but regards to the crystal, then it could be an aftermarket, i bought the mineral version but got it heavily scratched so i changed it to a after market sapphire glass without AR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 but regards to the crystal, then it could be an aftermarket, i bought the mineral version but got it heavily scratched so i changed it to a after market sapphire glass without AR. fair enough but I don't think that would classify as a mint condition then like it's listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinamm20 Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 hehe i stand corrected :-D but it looks fishy to me, i have seen better on sale on www.bigwatchforum.com - this is where i bought mine 4-5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Interesting. I was doing some research on TZ and that watch seem to have come from a power seller called Rene Rodriguez. Rene sells a tons of stuff on TZ and yesterday had an ad up for an MM20 with the same rep caseback. All those rep MM20 treads are now gone (not sure if deleted by TZ or the posters). I wonder how may reps get mixed up in places like TZ since many gen owners are usually clueless about the watches they buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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