dabom Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/300...LERY/pam%20087/ does anyone have this watch? Looks incredible! Questions: 1) is the crown spring-loaded? (crosses fingers) 2) what's the dial look like? I am assuming the original was anthracite. I can't see from the pictures how close the rep gets to the original. 3) how's the lume? thanks for the answers. I've been snubbing my nose at reps for some months now because there hasn't been anything exciting until now. Let's hope this is better than I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brand9avenue Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADRED7 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Have this piece for 5 days now and it is amazing, never thought I would ever buy/wear a PANNY with blue dial ANSWERS: 1) to be honest I have no idea, it sits flush to the case and it is thick like it should 2) the dial is blue and should be blue, if the color meets the real specs??? I have not had a real deal in my hands but will prove it this month 3) the lume is a little bit better compared to the PAM187 e.g. but still the crappy 30-minutes-fading type All in all this is an absolute MUST HAVE, with 44mm it looks bigger than other PANNYs cause the bezel is thicker and the watch is higher. So go ahead, you´ll love it. BTW I attached the "old" Kevlar velcro diver strap and this makes it even more tool-like. Best, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabom Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Pam1A - the way you tell whether the crown is spring-loaded is to unlock the crown-guard. If you unlock the crown guard, and the crown extends by itself - then it is spring loaded. When you the lock the crown-guard, the crown should press back into the case, and the spring should provide enough tension to the crown-guard so that the crown-guard doesn't come out by itself. Basically it looks cool when the crown-guard is released, and the crown springs out a little. So: is the crown spring-loaded, or is my explanation confusing? thanks. Have this piece for 5 days now and it is amazing, never thought I would ever buy/wear a PANNY with blue dial ANSWERS: 1) to be honest I have no idea, it sits flush to the case and it is thick like it should 2) the dial is blue and should be blue, if the color meets the real specs??? I have not had a real deal in my hands but will prove it this month 3) the lume is a little bit better compared to the PAM187 e.g. but still the crappy 30-minutes-fading type All in all this is an absolute MUST HAVE, with 44mm it looks bigger than other PANNYs cause the bezel is thicker and the watch is higher. So go ahead, you´ll love it. BTW I attached the "old" Kevlar velcro diver strap and this makes it even more tool-like. Best, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) I bought one and have to say that It is a SUPERB watch! Ok, some observations. The crystal is actually 2 pieces, one 3mm piece and one 2mm piece that are glued together. There is NO AR coating (even though it is listed with) The crystal is GLUED into the case as well as held in lightly by gasket. THIS IS THE ONLY WEAK POINT in my opinion. The dial (aside from the marker paint) is REALLY nice. The case is very nice and very well made. I have mine on one of the 187 style rubber straps from Joshua and have to say this looks better than any other strap on it I have tried. Edited September 16, 2006 by speedy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I like this one, but am wondering if there is an easy way to correct the alignment of the 8 and 10 markers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I like this one, but am wondering if there is an easy way to correct the alignment of the 8 and 10 markers? I was big on correcting this until I actually recieved the watch. It is amazing how much worse have a watch magnified and filling your entire computer screen to make flaws look worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabom Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Hi Speedy1, does this watch have a spring-loaded crown? Thanks. I bought one from Joshua and have to say that It is a SUPERB watch! Ok, some observations. The crystal is actually 2 pieces, one 3mm piece and one 2mm piece that are glued together. There is NO AR coating (even though it is listed with) The crystal is GLUED into the case as well as held in lightly by gasket. THIS IS THE ONLY WEAK POINT in my opinion. The dial (aside from the marker paint) is REALLY nice. The case is very nice and very well made. I have mine on one of the 187 style rubber straps from Joshua and have to say this looks better than any other strap on it I have tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheaton26 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 personally, not a big fan of the pam subs. by the looks of it, the rep numbers seem thicker. here is a few shots of a genuine ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenacious_b Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Are the 8 & 10 indicies crooked on all the models? So far they have been on every pic Ive see of this rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Hi Speedy1, does this watch have a spring-loaded crown? Thanks. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 I bought one from Joshua and have to say that It is a SUPERB watch! Ok, some observations. The crystal is actually 2 pieces, one 3mm piece and one 2mm piece that are glued together. There is NO AR coating (even though it is listed with) The crystal is GLUED into the case as well as held in lightly by gasket. THIS IS THE ONLY WEAK POINT in my opinion. The dial (aside from the marker paint) is REALLY nice. The case is very nice and very well made. I have mine on one of the 187 style rubber straps from Joshua and have to say this looks better than any other strap on it I have tried. Mmmmm - strange observations here Speedy!!. The crystal is one piece and is about 3mm thick at the edge and almost 5mm in the centre and has a waterproof sealant applied around the inside of the crystal/case joint, far from a weak point - this is not to glue the crystal in place, as it is held in by a nylon compression ring, so one can only imagine that this is the makers attepmt to make the watch more water resistant. Not sure why you think it is 2 pieces glued together!! The cyclops is moulded into the crystal so cannot be upgraded. There is an AR coat but it is very thin so not really obvious. The crown stem is sprung but the crown is almost too thick and could do with being a little narrower. The dial is a little more of a purple blue than the gen. The markers at 8 and 10 are rotated. Not sure why the makers did this as the only reason would have been if the 8/10 markers were the full length in which case they would overlap the subdial. The only way to correct this is to remove the markers and file down one of the two pins that locate into holes in the dial. It is the dial holes that are offset but cannot be altered so one of the pins on the rear of the marker needs to be removed and the marker re-stuck to the dial The lume is the same old crap that we are used to so an upgrade here is worth it as it should have a Tritium lume and the rep lume is a C3 green colour and the datewheel has the usual rep PAM skinny font. Caseback is engraved with a C series serial number which is also wrong as this dial/case combination would be D + series - what a shame!!. Bezel markers need polishing but apart form that it's one of my faves - wearing it now!!! A thread about this has already been started here: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=11059 Altogether a must have for the PAM collector!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy1 Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Finepics, You act like I pulled these observations out of my ass. I don't post that often so I try and make good ones when I do. So here are your pics pics one shows the two pieces pic two shows where you can actually see the delamination of my crystals. I removed the crystal so that I could email the dealer with pics of the delamination. And no there isn't and AR Coating. The observations made were of my own watch so others may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Speedy - I stand corrected on the crystal. I had seen that same groove on the 187 crystal and assumed it was just to do with retention!! I had no idea they are two pieces stuck together. When you say it is de-laminating you mean that they are coming apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 If they are all two crystals than I would want mine to delaminate. Serioulsy, if they do separate then I could attach one of the watchmen cyclops onto the top crystal, chuck the lower crystal with imbedded cyclops and get proper magnification. Is there a methodology to separate the two crystals and would the dial remain firmly in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 It would seem then that the cyclpps is stuck to the upper crystal and the lower one has a hole in it. This allows the cyclops to be further away from the date window. The only problem is that our cyclops's are too small in diameter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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