Old school PAM rep... help needed to identify

[yadda]

This baby has been in my collection since 2005, I believe... or possibly even 2004 (??)

Since I no longer have emails from the original transaction, I've been wracking by brain trying to figure out who I bought it from and more importantly, what this model/version is.

IIRC, it came from a dealer on the TRC forum. Initially, I was under the impression it came from EL and that it was a 111.

However, I've been advised by a gracious fellow member that 111's only came in sandwich and not the sausage flavor of dial.

Now I'm not even sure it is an EL Pam

The pics aren't great, but I think adequate enough for ID'ing.

TIA

[w0lf]

It's a 111F, one of the 1st great pam reps, and it comes with a Swiss eta6497-1.

[PeteM]

When I saw this question I thought if there was one person on this forum who could answer that question...it is w0lf.... Blinding !!

A truely great source of information and a great guy

[yadda]

Cool, thanks w0lf!

Do you know if the movement overlay can be changed? and is it even worth it?

[Watchmeister]

It's a 111F, one of the 1st great pam reps, and it comes with a Swiss eta6497-1.

Yes oh mighty Obi Wan, but it is a Paul, Cartel or Eddie Lee?

[w0lf]

I think it's preE/P/C

You should be able to remove the foil stickers from the movement but I wouldn't bother. I should probably note that overall this model isn't quite accurate by today's standards but it has 2 things that are quite good. They are the dial, which while comes with the low-bar A's in LMP text is still very nice and has good LSL spacing from 6 o'clock and decent markers but needs to be relumed in order to be properly enjoyed. Case on this model is the second good bit, great I should say, while not quite suitable for a contemporary PAM its midcase is the closest to PreA OP6500 caseset the rep factories produced. The bezel is not the best but it's possible it can be swapped for a more appropriate profile one from newer models.

If this were up to me, I'd build an FGD dialed PAM PreA02 using the caseset, movement and sapphire from this watch (A/R stripped). You'll also need to source a crown and CG- T48 or DSN's NB crown & tube and Sead1999's crownguard, Jakob or DSN caseback (budget option) round out the package nicely. If the PreA02 dials are nowhere to be found you may be able to find a LOGO dial instead which can with a proper caseback will turn the same watch into a PreV 5218-209.

[Watchmeister]

I bow to the master.

[maxman]

Some great Infomation here..thanks wOLF

[yadda]

Bow to the master indeed!

Thanks for this info w0lf... noted and much appreciated!

[oncyte]

I wanna see the strap notches!

Oh...and can you take a side profile of the CG? I'm guessing it's a destro CG from the size of the pin on the underside.

Edited October 1, 2011 by oncyte

[StormTooper4]

Your watch contains a really great movement particularly if it is swiss. This movement was the Caliber: OP II Base Movement: ETA 6497/2 and was used in the A-D series.

The movement the F series should be the same as the 1950 engraved Calibre OP XI.

So your watch is more of a 001 variant all bar the case back. I’m not sure if you want to go through the palaver of making it a pre-V/A and still having a possibly incorrect movement.

Unfortunately as far as I am aware the only watch that had a display case back for this movement was the 036 MM SE in Titanium

There is a really nice D series 001 here and here

My suggestion would be to see if you can get a solid caseback for a C or D series from DSN or if you want to spend $ then Jakob.

You can then sell the F series caseback . You would then have a pretty correct watch with the correct movement. Get a gen strap and all will be sweet

[Watchmeister]

Your watch contains a really great movement particularly if it is swiss. This movement was the Caliber: OP II Base Movement: ETA 6497/2 and was used in the A-D series. The Movement should be the same as the 1950 engraved Calibre OP XI.

Unfortunately as far as I am aware the only watch that had a display case back for this movement was the 036 MM SE in Titanium

I thought that movment looked like the one in the original Josh 36.