sydneysider Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hi guys, am in the process of becoming the owner of a DW 6263 (bicompax), now: what are the flaws?(or are there any!!!!) I would normally search for hours, but have too much work right now but am dying to know. thanks to those kind enough to reply without telling me to f&"k off and search for myself! cheers, Robbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 No real flaws (except for the movement). You can improve the look with a genuine Tropic 21 crystal, tube, and crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 The mystery movement is a known problem... But basic aesthetic flaws exist for each dial type, and are specific to their relative dials. For example- The standard black dial flaws typically include: -Incorrect placement of the coronet on the dial. -Incorrect color center seconds hand (should be silver; dw's is usually black). -New versions have too white of subdials. However, some of the flaws are across the board as well (as they exist on things like the case, etc)... -Incorrect font size for the bezel engraving (on the steel 6265 bezel). -Crown and tube are incorrect in appearance. -'Teeth' on the pushers are not of the same style/size cut. -Mystery movement equipped watches have the crown slightly above axis in relation to the pushers when viewing at the profile (this is, I suspect, because the movement is a bi-compax, which makes the movement a bit thinner, and puts the movement closer to the dial side as a result). The 'flaws' can be corrected if desired; I've modified mine to an extent, but some things are just not significant enough for me to really worry about. I focused on the functional aspects of the watch- Movement, crown, tube, crystal were all changed out for function/longevity/reliability reasons. Other changes, like hands were a by-product of those mods as new parts had to be sourced anyways. That said, DW's dials are quite nice for rep dials. The flaws mentioned are really nitpicking the details. Overall quality is good These are amongst the most accurate assembled vintage Daytonas out of the box. In terms of overall dimension/size/detail, these are in a similar league to MBW's vintage line. Genuine parts fit with very little hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysider Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thank you very much for the info, it is highly appreciated! Robbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RiverwindMDS Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thank you very much for the info, it is highly appreciated! Robbie Just take the non exotic version of the dial. You don't have to take the paul neman, the dial is not as good as the "normal" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 What about the space under the crown, compared to a genuine watch there is a slight difference, look at the pics> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertieng Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 What about the space under the crown, compared to a genuine watch there is a slight difference, look at the pics> You are comparing a Twinlock on the gen. with the Triplock on DW's. They are not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 i am not comparing the crown, i am comparing the VJ72 case with a genuine case, looking at the space right beneath the crown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 @Nanuq, hold on... this is a VJ72 case from DW, is it a version 1 or 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrington Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 What about the space under the crown, compared to a genuine watch there is a slight difference, look at the pics> Have you not bought a Dremel yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Have you not bought a Dremel yet? @ maybe i really have to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) The DW case is pretty close to the later model Oyster cases. What you have referenced in your picture above is a Twinlock with pump pushers, like the 6239. Here are a few pictures from eBay to show the difference: First, the Oyster case: ...and the 6239: Here's a 6240, which had both screw-down pushers, and a Twinlock crown: It seems that the "bulge" is a characteristic of the Oyster case, with the Triplock crown. Edited November 30, 2006 by avitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) @Avitt, you are completely right. I don't know, but in my eyes, the Rolex oyster case bulge looks different to the bulge on the DW case. The dw case bulge seems to be "flatter" and longer, furthermore it looks to me that the genuine oyster case does not have the sunk in part where the crown sits (sorry about the bad description). Compare this picture to the DW case. Also there is a difference where the pushers are... Edited November 30, 2006 by the collector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I understand what you're saying. The genuine bulge is much more of a "shaped curve". I'm looking at the back of the 6263 that I'm wearing today, and I don't think that you could modify the case without making it look like a 6239 (ie. taking the bulge off altogether). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I noticed this a few days ago, it has been bugging me ever since,,,, So i contacted JDKM and asked him for some photos of the 6263 cases that he sells. The 6263 cases he sells look very good, but i am not sure about the bulge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Now im not sure which case is closer to gen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Here are a couple of shots that jdkm sent me a few months ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Yep, thats the same case. I like the overall look of this case, i like the fact that it accepts gen pushers. What i dont like is the caseback (it looks a bit too high), also im not sure about the bezel. But most importantly the bulge, im not sure... What do you think about the bulge on this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 It looks to me like two different cases. The top one looks OK, but I'd be concerned about the bottom one. Once the case is countersunk, and the tube is correctly installed, I'd be worried about a 7mm crown hitting the bezel. I agree with you about the back...but to me, all of the differences are moot, as these things are exponentially more expensive than DW. BTW, do you think he puts these cases through a rock tumbler, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 @Avitt, lol!! Obviously he does something to them!! You are right 1450USD is pretty hefty for a case that possibly is not much more closer to a gen than a DW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 BTW, i would love to know who his supplier is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 BTW, do you think he puts these cases through a rock tumbler, or what? Avitt, that is funny stuff. I've often thought that the many 'shady' vintage watch sellers on eBay utilize a tumbler of sorts. I' ve seen too many suckers bid high on fake items that are deemed authentic due to some sort of uniform patina. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I'm going to go toss all of my vintages in the dryer- 5 minutes on permanent press should do it? BRB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I'm going to go toss all of my vintages in the dryer- 5 minutes on permanent press should do it? BRB. That's a great idea! Here's what I'm going to throw in with the watches: Some pebbles from the yardSome broken glassThe cat (don't tell my wife...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the collector Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dont forget to add two handful of nails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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