andreas-rep Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) Hey Bought another PAM last night through an associate of a trusted dealer. After being so impressed with my others. I requested a 111m made by HBB 'ultimate edition'. Cost me best part of $200. Got today as seller in same country and I set up a courier (he he. Couldn't wait) But on arrival and first viewing the watch I was slightly worried as the rubber strap was made out some kind of latex feeling tacky stuff which instantly started picking up dust and fibers. It was listed as having OEM rubber strap which I hoped would be the harder rubber you get on decent reps that hss some dust repelling properties. Anyway. It's supposed to be an Asian platinum plated 6497 with a dagger swan neck regulator. Genuine superLuminova lumed hands and dial. (I have checked and only the hands are lumed) Being a Noob to PAM's i am not familiar with the movement. But I know the lume is wrong and strap is poor so I am asking for opinions on whether this is an ultimate edition or if not what is it? I need to know before I can confront the seller as I don't want to look like a [censored] if this is the right wstch. Sorry, this has turned into a bit of a book. Pics below. It's not gold that's just the crap lighting. Any feedback welcome. Edited October 27, 2011 by andreas-rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Trouble with pics. Trying again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Mate you been stitched! Demand what you ordered cause its just an old rep version a bad hybrid of an early and later 111. Out of Interest what does serial number say I can't see it on my phone. You got nothing on that watch that relates to an M series watch! Sorry for your trouble but get back to him now mate though not sure why you used an associate of a trusted dealer would you mind explaining please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks for the info. I can't go into much detail yet as it's still being sorted out. But basically It was through the staff of a trusted seller. I ordered item then found out this person didnt work for the seller anymore but had been using their name to sign off emails etc. So to me it seemed like I was still dealing with the trusted seller. It's a bit complicated but the trusted seller should have kept tighter control and not allowed their previous employes to take orders after they had left the business. If they don't sort it out I will out them on the forum but it's only fair to give them 1 chance. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Ouch man! Get your money back asap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 The plot thickens.I discovered last night it is a 111h (with asain 6497 Movement swan neck) The item is on the TR website (TRevor is not the supplier though) : http://v.yupoo.com/photos/trevorwatch/albums/2148540/ I am deciding whether to send it back or not. The list price is similar. Is it a good 111h Copy though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Send it back this instant , that is not a 111h its a mix of F and H and you should get what you ordered and it is not the one in your link either look at the Crown guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Mate no matter what it is suppose to be its a piece cr*p !! Get it back and tell them you want your 111M !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Ok. I'll do that. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 everything is wrong with that one. It's a horrible rep. You've been taken. Try to get your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes. I have asked for refund but the dealers factory are wanting me to point out the differences between this one and the 111m ultimate. FFS. They seem to think it's close enough to be acceptable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 List 1 ) Canon pin is too short - one of the biggest tells on these older reps 2 ) Crown guard should be brushed and not polished (let alone it's a bad one). Plus it should have a roller ball 3 ) Crown is too thin and not spring loaded 4 ) The movement is not engraved (that's a sticker with Offiicine Panerai written on it) 5 ) The movement is not platinum platted 6 ) The dial is horrible with the wrong thickness, wrong number cut out (specially the 6), L Swiss Made L too close to the 6 and the list goes on 7 ) Can't see but I bet the caseback says either H or F series 8 ) The case shape is wrong, specially lugs and bezel 9 ) The strap you already mentioned And since when you have to prove the watch is a not what you ordered? You've asked for H factory M series, not close enough. That's NOT the H-factory M series. If you paid with Paypal open a dispute right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas-rep Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Thank you very much for that list. That's a great help. And thank you for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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