Help me clarify....do Chinese movements have Swiss stamps/markings?

[donce]

Just hoping for some input....It may be a bad question, but do Chinese or hybrid movements have Swiss stamps or markings? 17 Jewels ...etc? Thanks ahead of time!!!

Edited December 21, 2007 by donce

[donce]

Example....

[donce]

Hello.....would someone chime in? The movement is stamped Swiss and marked Seventeen Jewels......is this a Swiss or Asian movement?

[FxrAndy]

That one is chinese yes, you can tell by the pins that hold the balence spring in place.

[donce]

That one is chinese yes, you can tell by the pins that hold the balence spring in place.

I thank you very much for getting back on that pressing question of mine!

[babola]

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly.

cheers,

babola

[Daytona4me]

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly.

cheers,

babola

What he said ^ also would help to stop the balance wheel.

[donce]

What he said ^ also would help to stop the balance wheel.

This is VERY interesting.....I will have to post some photos when I get a chance.

[FxrAndy]

I still think i will stick with chinese, it would be interesting to get some more info and better photos of the movement,

[psymetry]

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly.

cheers,

babola

babola....can you clarify something?

I thought a mvnt with incabloc shock protection was asian...now i'm confused.

I thought that the swiss had novodiac?

I can't really see the shape of it in the pic.

Hope i'm right, otherwise all my 'swiss' movement purchases have been a lie.

[ajoesmith]

I think this one is Asian/Chinese NOT Swiss but that's just what i think and i may be wrong

[ewing]

this is a older version of the swiss movt.

babola is right!

[TWP]

This is ETA CLONE MOVEMENT CONFIRMED BY MY SUPPLIER!

[fishgodeep]

Example....

If that's Swiss ....then so am I ...

No reg needle on balance

One screw holding balance plate / [censored] assembly

Bad blue painted screws.

Cheap quality clone from my experience.....have bought too many to forget.

FGD

[FxrAndy]

Also bad finish on the main plate, no visible manufature markings, bad finished gearing as far as i can see. i belive FGD means the plate that is above the anchor, it is single sided as opposed to being double sided with a screw on both sides. I would say this is one of the cheeper versions of the 6497 from asia.

[Daytona4me]

I was looking at some of the pre-v movements on p-sti and I ran across this picture,, look at the tapered spokes on the balance wheel, this was a tall tell sign of an asian movement,, but here it is sitting on a genuine pre-v movement.

anyway, point of posting this is that I too thought it looked like an old swiss movement.

edit:

babola....can you clarify something?

I thought a mvnt with incabloc shock protection was asian...now i'm confused.

I thought that the swiss had novodiac?

I dont understand this comment above, you can find incabloc or novodiac on ETA movements, I think it is simply a matter of preference for the watchmaker.

I think you will find more Incabloc on 6497 than you will novodiac

Edited December 30, 2007 by Daytona4me

[psymetry]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm still learning the differences and have obviously noted incorrectly about the shock protection type being a tell tale sign.

The other things that I thought i knew how to tell the origin of a movement are:

Flared spokes on the balance wheel = Asian (but as Daytona shows, these are on gens too!)

Bevelled edge on winding and crown wheels = swiss

...but i'm only a noob and still trying to pick things up.

I'm really confused lately as it seems that some rep movements have a mixture of either swiss, swiss cloned or asian parts.

[Daytona4me]

The other things that I thought i knew how to tell the origin of a movement are:

Flared spokes on the balance wheel = Asian (but as Daytona shows, these are on gens too!)

Dont run with this yet, I was a little shocked when I saw it too.. This is the first time I've seen this.

[FxrAndy]

I'm really confused lately as it seems that some rep movements have a mixture of either swiss, swiss cloned or asian parts.

That is the case, some are pure asian but with swiss markings

[Daytona4me]

That is the case, some are pure asian but with swiss markings

I think we kid ourselves sometimes about what we think we are getting out of China.

Look at the Sleven, the Cousteau, the BCE , the SFSO, UPO, etc... but they cant figure out how to do a simple ETA stamp.... yeah..... right!

I saw Santa Claus in the mall last week, so he MUST be real!

[donce]

This has become very interesting. I traded for this watch a month or so ago. The Zigmeister said he believes it's an older ETA base.

[FxrAndy]

Any better photos for us?

[donce]

How about this one....

[FxrAndy]

Any thing a bit closer?

[donce]

Any thing a bit closer?

Sorry...nothing that doesn't exceed the limit.