donce Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (edited) Just hoping for some input....It may be a bad question, but do Chinese or hybrid movements have Swiss stamps or markings? 17 Jewels ...etc? Thanks ahead of time!!! Edited December 21, 2007 by donce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Example.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Hello.....would someone chime in? The movement is stamped Swiss and marked Seventeen Jewels......is this a Swiss or Asian movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 That one is chinese yes, you can tell by the pins that hold the balence spring in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 That one is chinese yes, you can tell by the pins that hold the balence spring in place. I thank you very much for getting back on that pressing question of mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly. cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytona4me Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly. cheers, babola What he said ^ also would help to stop the balance wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 What he said ^ also would help to stop the balance wheel. This is VERY interesting.....I will have to post some photos when I get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I still think i will stick with chinese, it would be interesting to get some more info and better photos of the movement, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psymetry Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but the mov't shown is Swiss. There's a dimple in the hairspring balance pin holder, as well as the ETA stock full circle metal ring around the Incablock assembly. cheers, babola babola....can you clarify something? I thought a mvnt with incabloc shock protection was asian...now i'm confused. I thought that the swiss had novodiac? I can't really see the shape of it in the pic. Hope i'm right, otherwise all my 'swiss' movement purchases have been a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I think this one is Asian/Chinese NOT Swiss but that's just what i think and i may be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewing Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 this is a older version of the swiss movt. babola is right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWP Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 This is ETA CLONE MOVEMENT CONFIRMED BY MY SUPPLIER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Example.... If that's Swiss ....then so am I ... No reg needle on balance One screw holding balance plate / [censored] assembly Bad blue painted screws. Cheap quality clone from my experience.....have bought too many to forget. FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Also bad finish on the main plate, no visible manufature markings, bad finished gearing as far as i can see. i belive FGD means the plate that is above the anchor, it is single sided as opposed to being double sided with a screw on both sides. I would say this is one of the cheeper versions of the 6497 from asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytona4me Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 (edited) I was looking at some of the pre-v movements on p-sti and I ran across this picture,, look at the tapered spokes on the balance wheel, this was a tall tell sign of an asian movement,, but here it is sitting on a genuine pre-v movement. anyway, point of posting this is that I too thought it looked like an old swiss movement. edit: babola....can you clarify something? I thought a mvnt with incabloc shock protection was asian...now i'm confused. I thought that the swiss had novodiac? I dont understand this comment above, you can find incabloc or novodiac on ETA movements, I think it is simply a matter of preference for the watchmaker. I think you will find more Incabloc on 6497 than you will novodiac Edited December 30, 2007 by Daytona4me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psymetry Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Thanks for clearing that up. I'm still learning the differences and have obviously noted incorrectly about the shock protection type being a tell tale sign. The other things that I thought i knew how to tell the origin of a movement are: Flared spokes on the balance wheel = Asian (but as Daytona shows, these are on gens too!) Bevelled edge on winding and crown wheels = swiss ...but i'm only a noob and still trying to pick things up. I'm really confused lately as it seems that some rep movements have a mixture of either swiss, swiss cloned or asian parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytona4me Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 The other things that I thought i knew how to tell the origin of a movement are: Flared spokes on the balance wheel = Asian (but as Daytona shows, these are on gens too!) Dont run with this yet, I was a little shocked when I saw it too.. This is the first time I've seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I'm really confused lately as it seems that some rep movements have a mixture of either swiss, swiss cloned or asian parts. That is the case, some are pure asian but with swiss markings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytona4me Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 That is the case, some are pure asian but with swiss markings I think we kid ourselves sometimes about what we think we are getting out of China. Look at the Sleven, the Cousteau, the BCE , the SFSO, UPO, etc... but they cant figure out how to do a simple ETA stamp.... yeah..... right! I saw Santa Claus in the mall last week, so he MUST be real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 This has become very interesting. I traded for this watch a month or so ago. The Zigmeister said he believes it's an older ETA base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Any better photos for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 How about this one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Any thing a bit closer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donce Posted December 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Any thing a bit closer? Sorry...nothing that doesn't exceed the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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