swdivad Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 I have just acquired a PAM 036 from another member in a trade, I'm so glad to have this model back on my wrist (had one about two years ago and regretted selling it). I am wondering, and have tried to find info to no avail, in regards to the AR... Is this supposed to have AR on the crystal? Currently, it has the standard faux AR... purple in color, and thinking that there should be no AR at all. This is a B series model, which is the only year this watch (special edition) came out... As with B series marinas, It has an L dial as well... Overall the watch is one is a fine example I think next, I will have it The Zigmeisterfied
bruce79 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Not sure about the ar but that is a good looking watch.
hiker01 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Congrats! Beautifully done of a very rare watch! I have the same: Here's the Panerai site about his model (and, yes!!! it has AR!): http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions....id_categoria=43 Wear it well!
DuDro Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Wearing the exact same model on my wrist right now! Love it, but I would love it more if I could get a new CG for it...The upside down pin has always bothered me on this model. My search continues...
HauteHippie Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Definitely a looker. Strip the AR for sure!
bazonkers Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Here's the Panerai site about his model (and, yes!!! it has AR!): http://www.panerai.com/s_special_editions....id_categoria=43 Wear in well! That's really bizarre. I never saw that before. I thought all pre-C PAMs had no AR. Wierd.
HauteHippie Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Whoa a B PAM with AR.... Live and learn.
bazonkers Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 The Zigmeister is working on my 036 right now. He's changing the L SWISS L to a T SWISS T. He's also removing the AR for me. Mine had really purple AR on it. I can't believe the gen, if it really does have AR (?!), had AR as purple as what I had on mine.
babola Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 No A/R on it for sure :-) Volker Viegemann from 'risti owned one of these gens and confirmed - not a trace of A/R. You're safe Baz :-)
bazonkers Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 No A/R on it for sure :-) Volker Viegemann from 'risti owned one of these gens and confirmed - not a trace of A/R. You're safe Baz :-) Thanks for the update. I can go to sleep now
swdivad Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Posted January 21, 2008 He's changing the L SWISS L to a T SWISS T I am pretty sure that the 036 is an L dial...
babola Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Believe me Swdivad that would be first, as noone has ever seen a L-dial PAM36 yet :-) cheers, babola
bazonkers Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) I am pretty sure that the 036 is an L dial... It is not an L dial, this I know for a fact The prototype model they show in their catalog was an L but all 200 of the ones that were released are all T SWISS T. There are rumors that there MIGHT be a few L SWISS L 036 dials out there but if so, one has never turned up yet. The rep makes used the official PAM photos of the 036 dial which is incorrect. Here is a gen 036 that was for sale on Paneristi. I've collected photos of various gen 036s that have come up for sale. All have been T SWISS T. Edited January 21, 2008 by bazonkers
PAMman Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) The existence of 'L' dial 036s has been a matter of speculation for some time but AFAIK the only know examples are 'T' dials. It is otherwise true that 'L' dials appeared during the B series but as this is a limited edition of 200 units only it would seem odd that there would be more than one batch of dials. EDIT: It seems that we both hit the button at the same time and at least we are saying the same thing. Edited January 21, 2008 by PAMman
bazonkers Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 EDIT: It seems that we both hit the button at the same time and at least we are saying the same thing. Yes, but I included a photo so that makes me cooler.
ravishingrick Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 The T Dial is what makes the 036 so hot, other brown dial PAM Luminor Marina's like the 118, 56, 55, 116 all have L Dials. All 036 PAM's have T Dials, periode.
rmcsherry Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 They were produced in T dials, I think one or two may have had the dials replaced by the service centre to 'L' dials - much to the owners disgust! I think our reps have L dials because I believe the original publicity shots had L dials - Panerai often take photos of watches that are incorrect for their catalogues (presumably to deter rep makers?).
lello Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Maybe it's been said already, but 036 has AR coating. See two specs, one from official source and one from an AD:
HauteHippie Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 FYI the gen single sided AR is very hard to see. The color tint is almost undetectable - sometimes in florescent lighting you can see some blue/purple at the edge of the crystal. But that's about it. If you have a very noticeable purple, then that's not right. FYI
p550racer Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Very typical of OP to make mistakes in their brochures. They do not invest in editors. Definetly no AR on PAM 036, Definetly T dial. Also note that the same brochure says that the 036 has a OPII movement (which is correct) but the description is of a OP XI movement which came in as a E series (2002). Movements - OP II The OP II was from 1997-2001 the standard handwind movement in historic models such as the Luminor Marina. It features hours, minutes and small seconds indications, and therefore qualifies for a COSC certificate. It is based on the ETA 6497/2 hand-wind movement. Its basic characteristics are: 16 1/2 lignes 17 jewels Bridges personalised by Panerai Glucydur balance 21,600 VPH Incabloc shock protection 41 hours power reserve The OP XI superceded the OP II in 2002. It is still based on the same ETA 6497/2 hand-wind movement, but now features a swan's neck regulator and completely redesigned bridges. The published power reserve has also increased. Its basic characteristics are: 16 1/2 lignes 17 jewels Bridges personalised by Panerai Glucydur balance with Nivarox spring 21,600 VPH Incabloc shock protection 56 hours power reserve OP XI E-series (2002) the power reserve went from 41 hours to 56 hours, and the swan neck regulator arrived. This was major change & upgrade for the movement. Carpe Dium
DuDro Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 There appears to be various ways the numbers and markers were applied or engraved...So should it be a "sausage" or "engraved" numbers?
p550racer Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Well starting with the 201 A in 1993 all historic pam dials were engraved all the way to the G series (2004). Just the Tritium/lume filling technique was different. The Pre-Vs had a very thin coating of Tritium on the inside of the engraving and then filled with varnish. The pre-As had more tritium but still concave. The As were right below the edge of the engraving to right at the edge. Starting with B dials all the way up to G dials is what are called the panited/some times sausage dials as the Tritium/lume was filled all the way to overflow, hence the domed/sausage look. PAM 036 is an early B so it has the domed Tritium. Carpe Diem
DuDro Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Great ref. chart! I've seen this before but forgot where it went...Thanks!
lello Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Definetly no AR on PAM 036, Definetly T dial. How can they write on catalog AR coating and sell watches without AR?.... We are not talking about our dealers (with all my deep respect I have for them )
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