kenofstephen Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) Dear all, when we do the CG mod., what is the perfect angle , and thickness to finish? are there any scientific figures instead of abstractions on pictures? borrowed gioarmani pic., what are you guys' comments?? Edited January 23, 2008 by kenofstephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 and what are the "ideal" thicknesses?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) what's perfect? what's 1:1? what's imperfect? what's almost the same... I think in this world with Physics regarding questions on dimensions, lengths, angles, thicknesses, etc.., we should have standard numerical answers to all of these questions. Regards, KOS. Edited January 23, 2008 by kenofstephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Who really cares about the geometry to the Nth degree. Even Rolex crown guards vary. So you're trying to hit a moving target. Since you're pretty good w/ the computer, why don't you take some pics of gens and show us. But always keep in mind, a rep is always a rep. You can make it look better and closer to the gen, but it's still a rep. What you're really trying to do w/ the cg's is make them look as close to the gen as possible. A few years ago they would surround the crown, so to speak. And it was a dead giveaway that your watch was a rep. These days they're much better and only require a little bit of trimming on the inside to get them close to the gen. I recommend you read Gioarmani's post at the top of this section and get to work modding your cg's. It's really pretty simple and your biggest liability is screwing up the keyless works when you pull the crown/stem from the movement. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Your correct but it would help to have some guidlines as to aproximate bottom CH thickness vs the top. At least we would then have some ball park figure. This may eliminate the highly overshaven CG I have seen by over zealous modders who just have no idea what they are shooting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest carlsbadrolex Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I agree completely... There are so many people out there doing CG mods that someone should be able to answer these questions. I have a gen 16610 that I would be willing to take in to my watchsmith and have him make the measurements. Im just not sure how accurate he would be able to get in such a small detail. I have typically thought that every gen rolex Ive seen had slightly different CG shapes. So getting them perfect, really isnt so complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertieng Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 So only the insode is needed to be trimmed? How about the outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Alligoat is exactly correct. Peruse the Rolex forums on Timezone.com or the photo collections on Antiquorum.com & use those as your reference. The trimming required depends on which rep you have, which watch you use as a reference & the look you are after. It is not science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 If we measured any gen Sub with a caliper....the very top and the very bottom. The idea would not be to have exacting 100% measurement but instead something to shoot for....an idea as to how thick the top is in comparision to the bottom would allow a better idea of what a gen should look like. Anything is better than having no measurements at all to go by! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Who really cares about the geometry to the Nth degree. Even Rolex crown guards vary. So you're trying to hit a moving target. Since you're pretty good w/ the computer, why don't you take some pics of gens and show us. But always keep in mind, a rep is always a rep. You can make it look better and closer to the gen, but it's still a rep. What you're really trying to do w/ the cg's is make them look as close to the gen as possible. A few years ago they would surround the crown, so to speak. And it was a dead giveaway that your watch was a rep. These days they're much better and only require a little bit of trimming on the inside to get them close to the gen. I recommend you read Gioarmani's post at the top of this section and get to work modding your cg's. It's really pretty simple and your biggest liability is screwing up the keyless works when you pull the crown/stem from the movement. Good luck. if I didn't read it, where did I get the picture?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Who really cares about the geometry to the Nth degree. Even Rolex crown guards vary. So you're trying to hit a moving target. Since you're pretty good w/ the computer, why don't you take some pics of gens and show us. But always keep in mind, a rep is always a rep. You can make it look better and closer to the gen, but it's still a rep. What you're really trying to do w/ the cg's is make them look as close to the gen as possible. A few years ago they would surround the crown, so to speak. And it was a dead giveaway that your watch was a rep. These days they're much better and only require a little bit of trimming on the inside to get them close to the gen. I recommend you read Gioarmani's post at the top of this section and get to work modding your cg's. It's really pretty simple and your biggest liability is screwing up the keyless works when you pull the crown/stem from the movement. Good luck. if you really enjoy the game, you'll care about it. certainly you don't at the moment. Regards, KOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Alligoat is exactly correct. Peruse the Rolex forums on Timezone.com or the photo collections on Antiquorum.com & use those as your reference. The trimming required depends on which rep you have, which watch you use as a reference & the look you are after. It is not science. even for diff. reps, the goal is approximately the same, isn't it? I think there is only 1 single goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 what's perfect? what's 1:1? what's imperfect? what's almost the same... I think in this world with Physics regarding questions on dimensions, lengths, angles, thicknesses, etc.., we should have standard numerical answers to all of these questions. Regards, KOS. Hi Ken, I have a GEN SUB TT circa 2000, if the measurement of that would work for you, I can do it! Let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenofstephen Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Ken, I have a GEN SUB TT circa 2000, if the measurement of that would work for you, I can do it! Let me know! maybe we should setup a Gen. database here, what do you think? I want this thread back to the Rolex Area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Here is a tiny sampling of gen Subs from several gigabytes worth of Rolex images I have archived on my hard drive. Now which of these is the 'correct' one As Alligoat was trying to explain, there are so many variations on the gens themselves (due to design variations, polishing, wear, etc.) that you are trying to measure an 'ideal' that just does not exist beyond a Rolex engineer's drawing board or CAD file. More importantly, no one, not even a watchmaker is going to gauge the legitimacy of your watch by the angle of deflection from 0 degrees of your CGs. Just select a gen to use as a reference & model yours after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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