lockum Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi... i think the main flaw on the new pam 187 from ed is the cristal....i don`t like it...you can tell it is a replica only seeing the cristal...dubt if it is saphire and no ar coating.. anyone knows the measure of the cristal i think davidsend can make a good one for it... what do you think? Please if anyonne knows measure tell me i give it to davidsen ... (sorry for my bad english...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Yeah I know the measurements - it's fukkin huge!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 It is sapphire just lacks the AR coating. I'm sure Davidsen could remedy this with the EXACT dimensions but I'm not taking mine apart to get these! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Dia 33.25mm - thickness at edge 3.5mm - thickness at centre 4.9mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Dia 33.25mm - thickness at edge 3.5mm - thickness at centre 4.9mm I suspect yours will have AR soon enough? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 anyone knows the measure of the cristal i think davidsend can make a good one for it...Please if anyonne knows measure tell me i give it to davidsen ... Already PM'd him about an AR crystal for the 187 earlier this week His response.... Sorry, i do not ahve plans for that. Sorry not able to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 I don't think davidsen makes them - rather that he sources them. Also this crystal has a silvered edge to it and that adds to the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockum Posted July 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 davidsen....if you read these..can you give your opinion... can you make the cristal with this specifications? thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 I guess that explains why I paid more than double the price. The AR on the watchonpo version is excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 It is a shame as the AR is very obvious but only because we know it should have it. Others I have spoken to who have made comment on this watch have no idea about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 The 187's from Joshua and Andrew are supposed to have AR? Guess I should have waited . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 The 187's from Joshua and Andrew are supposed to have AR? Guess I should have waited . . . Light AR coated = nonexistence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 hugh flaw! how can anyone wear it with no AR coating. Everyone who sees it is gonna know it's a rep. it is a REP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 hugh flaw! how can anyone wear it with no AR coating. Everyone who sees it is gonna know it's a rep. it is a REP! Robert, You are killing me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Light AR coated = nonexistence You know, people need to call the dealers on this board out on some of that crap. I've always been annoyed by the "synthetic sapphire" = mineral glass nonsense, and now the "light AR" = no AR. I am not thrilled by the "perfect" and "1:1" stuff either. That's not marketing spin as some people claim, it's just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 You know, people need to call the dealers on this board out on some of that crap. I've always been annoyed by the "synthetic sapphire" = mineral glass nonsense, and now the "light AR" = no AR. I am not thrilled by the "perfect" and "1:1" stuff either. That's not marketing spin as some people claim, it's just not true. OK. Instead of "perfect" and "1:1" maybe the dealers should just be honest and say "Flawed rep with X, Y and Z problems." I bet they would sell a lot more watches. Remember... our dealers are just salesman and they try to get us excited about their products. We all know not to expect perfect reps because there is no such thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Wow this got off topic quick! How about we focus on the flaw and see if it can't be remedied! I say we rally a demand and see if Davidsen can't come up with a solution! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 (edited) OK. Instead of "perfect" and "1:1" maybe the dealers should just be honest and say "Flawed rep with X, Y and Z problems." I bet they would sell a lot more watches. Remember... our dealers are just salesman and they try to get us excited about their products. We all know not to expect perfect reps because there is no such thing. I said I didn't appreciate the overwrought "perfect" and "1:1" puffery, I didn't say there was anything unethical about it. Although I certainly appreciate the savvy veteran with eight posts telling me what's up, thank god you're around to show me the ropes. In any case, I respect dealers who are upfront about what they sell, and I would think many of those who buy a lot of watches feel the same way. We're not going to stop collecting because the reps are less than perfect, but having established imperfection as an entirely obvious truth it's still worth dealing with people who don't BS you too much about what you're getting. As far as the A/R goes, good luck. I think the 187 is too low-production a model to interest davidsen. I'd be interested in seeing how many owners of the current 187 actually would spring $150 plus (my guess on what it would cost) on a AR crystal . . . my guess is not that many, 10-15 people at most. Not something for "just salesmen" to get too excited about. I can live with it, it's not nearly a daily wearer anyway. Edited July 9, 2006 by kanerich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Why dont you just get the existing crystal AR'd? I am offering this service at £45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 The 187's from Joshua and Andrew are supposed to have AR? Guess I should have waited . . . Normally Light AR coated is AR coated BS, but it does exist sometimes, a 177H I bought from Joshua with "Light AR coating" did have it, whether it was real ro fake I don't know, but there was definitely a blue tint to the crystal. I doubt that their 187 will hae it, as it is the exact same one we got from EL anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 For those who care you should send it to Finepics. He is doing a pair of 196/188 crystals for me as we speak. Good quality AR coat and reasonable price. I do have to say that the overpriced first version of the 187 does have a kick ass ar coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I have an 001 from andrew from about 6-7 months ago with "light AR" he claims. It does have some blue tint as well so there is some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It used to be that the so called AR on the original PAM 111 was just a blue tint rather than a full AR coat so I suspect that this is what is being used. The AR I offer is the purple type but I will enquire about the blue coating and let you know on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titoune11299 Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It used to be that the so called AR on the original PAM 111 was just a blue tint rather than a full AR coat so I suspect that this is what is being used. The AR I offer is the purple type but I will enquire about the blue coating and let you know on Monday. I AM IN IF YOU CAN MAKE THE SAME AR COATING (187) AND ABOUT THE 188 I HAVE ONE WITH 7753 ,,,JUST NEED TO KNOW IF THE OEM HAVE AR COATING CHEER ERIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Normally Light AR coated is AR coated BS, but it does exist sometimes, a 177H I bought from Joshua with "Light AR coating" did have it, whether it was real ro fake I don't know, but there was definitely a blue tint to the crystal. I doubt that their 187 will hae it, as it is the exact same one we got from EL anyways. Yes, the 177H I got from River is the same way, the "A/R" coating doesn't jump out at you but it's definitely there. In any case I can live with the anti-reflective crystal, it's the anti-adhesive bezel markers that bother me a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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