Mercury Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I am looking at the Explorer II black from Josh. Mostly because I can't find a good white one with black hour markings even though Eurotimez is pretty close. My question to you is how does this one from Josh stack up in your book. http://www.jpc8118.com/rlex10005-explorer-...8362-p-421.html Thank you for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I am looking at the Explorer II black from Josh. Mostly because I can't find a good white one with black hour markings even though Eurotimez is pretty close. My question to you is how does this one from Josh stack up in your book. http://www.jpc8118.com/rlex10005-explorer-...8362-p-421.html Thank you for your time. That is the inferior version. The 6'o'clock hour marker is the easiest "tell". This version has many bad flaws, like datewheel/cyclops positioned too right. Everything was explained in detail... in the initial post of this thread (the review), and also in the other ExpII rep articles I've written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) I hadn't noticed that. so is the only correct one from Eurotimez, or is it possible to find it cheaper, like from Trustytime? Also, if you don't mind, looking at this GMT II. http://www.jpc8118.com/rlgs10001-master-bl...362-p-2552.html Thank You Edited December 11, 2008 by Mercury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I just recently found one that I need the expert to look at. It is the Explorer II white dial and the hour markings actually look good. The link is below Thank you http://www.puretimewatch.com/index.php?pro...cture_id=435445 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 You can photograph the rep white Explorer II from a certain angle and the hour markers look good (i.e black). But in reality they're just gun metal grey. That model is the correct one (well placed datewheel, etc.) but the dial is no good. If you want a good white Explorer II, you need to get genuine dial there. Check this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkno Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Great write up, not overly long but covered all the good info. Your photos have me wanting to get my hands on one of these. Any chance you have the pertinant info on the correct crown and tube? P/N's or where to source them from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Damn it, I really thought I found one too. Anyway, one last question for the GMT/Explorer master. I have looked a Josh's site and Trusty's site and found that the GMT II coke bezel is different from site to site. Besides BK, for price reasons, which one would you choose? Or is the black explorer the king for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Damn it, I really thought I found one too. Anyway, one last question for the GMT/Explorer master. I have looked a Josh's site and Trusty's site and found that the GMT II coke bezel is different from site to site. Besides BK, for price reasons, which one would you choose? Or is the black explorer the king for you. There's only one 16710 rep that I recommend, and it comes from bklm1234/Eurotimez. But the "Retro" version from Joshua ain't that bad, either. My section is full of GMT reviews. I used to own almost every single rep model before I bought the gen. So what's keeping you to read them through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Well considering the high cost of BK's version, it looks like it's gonna be the Explorer II black. I just dunno from who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance18 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I just took your advice and ordered the black version through eurotimez (well actually i ordered the white model but in doing a little more research I changed to the black). My only question is where would be the best place for me to find a good crown, and what exactly do i need??? Thanks for the great review and help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Well let me first congratulate you for making your homework properly and buying the right version. I actually wear my black ExpII more than my white these days. It's very nice watch in every way, and a definite "keeper" for me. Regarding the crown... I'm not sure if member "Justasgood" is willing to provide the crowns to everyone, but you might send him a polite pm and ask. The correct crown for this model is the 6mm twinlock. Same parts for 16710 and 16570. You probably need the tube as well... and of course someone who can do the job for you. I think changing the crown is worth it as the "Noobfactory" twinlock crown is grossly oversized. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Excellent write-up, BT! Thanks for taking the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance18 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well let me first congratulate you for making your homework properly and buying the right version. I actually wear my black ExpII more than my white these days. It's very nice watch in every way, and a definite "keeper" for me. Regarding the crown... I'm not sure if member "Justasgood" is willing to provide the crowns to everyone, but you might send him a polite pm and ask. The correct crown for this model is the 6mm twinlock. Same parts for 16710 and 16570. You probably need the tube as well... and of course someone who can do the job for you. I think changing the crown is worth it as the "Noobfactory" twinlock crown is grossly oversized. Good luck! I haven't got a reply from justasgood yet, but will this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Datejust-Stainle...em#ht_683wt_909 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hi Lance, I could be wrong but to me that looks like the 5.3mm crown, with higher profile and different "hat". The correct one on GMT II and Explorer II is flatter and wider. See my gen GMT photo here. and this gen ExpII photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance18 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 thanks for the help! I appreciate it! Hopefully i will hear from justasgood soon and then i won't have to worry about finding one on the ebay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance18 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 it looks like I am striking out with justasgood. Never got a response from him. Any other good sources to find a gen crown and tube??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance18 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Just found this on ebay, said it fits the gmt so I was wondering if this one would work??? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-GMT-Watch-Crown-...2#ht_543wt_1166 I also have one more quick question. Do you happen to know the model number of the crown and tube I am looking for? I tried searching everywhere for a rolex part list and couldn't find one. That would definitely make the search easier if I knew exactly what part numbers I am looking for! Thanks Edited March 22, 2009 by lance18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Bytor, King just added these to the site. It says "Updated dial and case" So here are the pictures. What do you think - any better? I don't like the engraving on the rehaut - but what about the rest? Looks like the markers are still gray. Also - the date does not seem to be centered left and right. Thanks - would love to know your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 It's the same watch with added rehaut engraving, which is a downgrade (accuracy wise) as it's not centered properly. Same old grey/silver hour markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Rats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Dear All, Some might remember I was the owner of a Gen Black Explo II. I sold it as I couldn't justify 3K for a watch sitting in a box and never worn. Having said that, I like the model a lot...not like a Sub or a SD, but a lot. Yesterday I saw one on a guy's wrist and it reminds me that I have a genuine black dial in my parts bin (and probably matching hands) . So, after reading By-Tor's review here and Dluddly's comments, I'm not sure I can build a good franken. The reason is : the right watch is hard to find. Meaning the case accepting the gen dial diameter. I figured I'd rather post here than start to spam all our dealers and beg them to find me a 2006 Trusty Explorer II If anybody could help by selling theirs or point me to the right person to source one, it would be very nice of them. Many thanks, All the best Stephane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 This just in: I heard from BK that the Noob Explorer II and GMT 16710 models are no more in production by the Noob factory. BK bought the last remaining watches to himself. I don't understand why they ceased these two great replications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 my supplier told me the remaining Exp2's all have Asian clones. I don't want Asian clones so I got nothing. Very sad. I did get 14 GMT IIs (model 16710) in gen ETAs. -bk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 my supplier told me the remaining Exp2's all have Asian clones. I don't want Asian clones so I got nothing. Very sad. I did get 14 GMT IIs (model 16710) in gen ETAs. -bk Oh well, might be the right time to get myself a 16710 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seroberts Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Very, Very interesting read and thanks to all who have contributed. I personally have always liked the white dial best ....even with the gray/silver subdued marker surrounds. To me the white dial with the SS is the best look for the contrast of the piece. So I ordered one from BK just prior to his vacation and am very excited about the watches arrival (soon I hope ). I think with BKs' mods and up grades ...the inaccuracy's will be only noticeable to the most knowledgeable and critical ......The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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