thomasng Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Are these majorly unpopular or what? I went to the Panerai boutique in Hong Kong today and they had 5 Zenith EP Panerais in stock, while the other chronographs all have 6 to 12 month waiting lists for them. Anyone know why? The Zenith movement is obivously the superior movement to the currents 7753 used by Panerai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Perhaps it's a size thing. The zenith models were 40mm I believe; the newer chronos are 44mm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Exactlly.. it must be definately the size thingy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahfahfooey Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Hmmmm, interesting. The Zenith movement is something that would definately get my attention if I were buying a gen PAM, even if they are 40mm. Were they being discounted because of lack of popularity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Its actually due to a row between LVMH who own Zenith and Richemont who own Panerai. Because of this row LVMH decided to stop supplying panerai with the EP movt hence the switch over to Valjoux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Its actually due to a row between LVMH who own Zenith and Richemont who own Panerai. Because of this row LVMH decided to stop supplying panerai with the EP movt hence the switch over to Valjoux. In which case Zenith-based PAMs will be rarer, possibly worth buying as a store of value ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Yes... If you are looking for a limited run watch, the Zenith based pieces will probably fall into that category if they haven't already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tag Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Are these majorly unpopular or what? I went to the Panerai boutique in Hong Kong today and they had 5 Zenith EP Panerais in stock, while the other chronographs all have 6 to 12 month waiting lists for them. Anyone know why? The Zenith movement is obivously the superior movement to the currents 7753 used by Panerai. That's interesting. I'm impressed by Zenith's movements but their designs are not very consistent. Which models are using EP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted July 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Just to note, this is from the Panerai boutique, therefore the discount offered is a generous 0%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBombadil Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 I agree. It has to be the fact that the Zenith EP's are 40mm. Too bad they didn't make them in 44mm versions, because they would have sold very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 (edited) they dont make zenith panerais which are larger than 40mm, because due to the nature of the zenith movement, the subdials are very close to each other. in a huge watch, this would look stupid, if theres like 1cm room between the the side of the dial and the subdial. it would look like those chinese pam reps with auto movements that have the seconds subdial very close to the center pin. on the other hand, watches which are ment to house a zenith movement (pre 2000 daytonas for example) look rather stupid with movements that have them subdial pins farther apart (just look at the pre 2000 daytona reps with 7750 movement, it looks awful) i hope this explains why and i also hope this explains why i hardly doubt that larger pams with zenith movement would have sold well Edited July 28, 2006 by slay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dosanim Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hey, Slay. Where you've been? How's your lip? BTW, I still don't see the hype behind of bigger the better trend with wrist watch. ( though I'm slowly getting toward trying 44mm from usual 40mm ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 my lip is great, you cant see one bit no more! and the most surprising thing was the hospital bill, it was only 99Euros. the surgeon who I went to after I got them stiches was 5 times as expensive for just lookin at it and letting a damn nurse, who couldnt do jack, rip them stiches out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 The PAM 72/74 are beautiful (albeit 40mm) chronos, it was featured in the first Trasporter movis and that's where I first got interested in Panerai.... Maybe it's that beeping complication lol What model you looking at Admin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Which models are using EP? Zenith EP (Panerai OP IV): 052, 072, 074, 108, 121, 122, 168. Zenith EP with flyback function added (Panerai OP VI): 060 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 The PAM 72/74 are beautiful (albeit 40mm) chronos, it was featured in the first Trasporter movis and that's where I first got interested in Panerai.... Maybe it's that beeping complication lol What model you looking at Admin? I hope you all now know what I meant with it looks awfull having those subdials so close to each other in a large watch... imagine that movement in a 44mm pam.... YUCK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Indeed... The closely grouped El Primero subdial layout looks right with a 40mm watch; any larger of a case, and it just looks out of place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cramman Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Another reason could be the price. I recently saw a PAM 72 in a Tourneau boutique & they wanted over $9,000 for it. I was wearing my real PAM 170 at the time & the sales rep (with a straight face) offered to take my watch and an additional $3,500 in exchange for the 72. I usually don't like to laugh in anyones face but in this instance I couldn't resist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Another reason could be the price. I recently saw a PAM 72 in a Tourneau boutique & they wanted over $9,000 for it. I was wearing my real PAM 170 at the time & the sales rep (with a straight face) offered to take my watch and an additional $3,500 in exchange for the 72. I usually don't like to laugh in anyones face but in this instance I couldn't resist! The saying 'Blow me' comes to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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